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  1. Hi all. I've just been offered one if these Panzera things by one of my regular customers. Its crap. In fact its a word I'm not sure I can use on here. Run away.
  2. I remember when the Turtle reissue landed, a matched up bezel/chapter ring was the holy grail, you could literally name your price. Personally it doesn't bother me. It's like when people would turn down a quartz watch because the second hand doesn't exactly hit the second markers. If you're that anal then seiko are not the brand for you. Once upon a time it was Rolex watches where the screw-down crown has been threaded so the Rolex coronet was dead level when screwed in. Seriously. And people paid money for what was basically a happy accident.
  3. Stumped by this one, but I think I still have a card for the rotary NW rep, I'll try and pester him. To be honest, if not for the movement I'd have no doubt at all this was a fake, the quality doesn't seem there to my eye. Is the fluted bezel fixed, or does it rotate? If it rotates then its definitely a dodgy one. They do this legacy model in a couple of different colours - never a white dial though, just a pale silver in the bi-metal model. They have a deep sunburst texture, slightly beveled edge for the date window, polished batons with framed lume pips on the outer edge. This has none of those things barring the pips, which are just blobbed on there, not framed. My thinking is that if they had knocked up a prototype white dial model it wouldn't look quite this crude, it would be finished to the exact same standard as the black one they released. Especially being the Les Originales model, and it wouldn't have made it anywhere near a service centre in London, I'm pretty sure they manufacture in the far East now (I'll confirm). My thinking; it's definitely not a prototype, but no strong leanings to what it might actually be, maybe just a parts-bin effort from a knackered watch?
  4. Is it a bit odd that the name puts me off? I wish Tissot wasn't there - so many Internet topics are asking if these are part of "that" tissot brand and I'd much prefer not to feel like they were trying to hang on the big brands coat-tails (they definitely aren't, it's just the perception I'd think people might have). In terms of style, I really like a lot of their models. Good price point too, and reviews look generally favourable. I'd certainly buy one but the name is a weird niggle I'm not sure I'll get over.
  5. An observation; You do seem very down on... well, everything. I think I can count on one hand the number of positive comments you make on other people's threads. Just an observation, of course. It's nice to see people be so publically wrong, and yet so noisy about it, a very American trait. While your comment was an opinion, it's an indisputable fact that Seiko are still innovators in the industry and exceptionally good at 90% of what they do. Good watches, bold designs and constant progression (though in this case admittedly their "progression" is a step backwards). Ah well. Imagine if we could all be right. (To the chorus of "USA, USA, USA)
  6. Est1897 is the online shop for H&T pawnbrokers. While I'm sure their stock is all legitimate, I'm yet to see a watch with box and papers , they almost all say "comes with authentication card", which from experience is just a worthless bit of laminated card with their name on it. For buying high end pre owned there aren't many places I'd trust. Chrono24 is usually safe though the advice to buy the seller always applies. There are plenty of respectable jewellers with good websites. Milton's is always excellent, Mark Worthingtons always has a selection of Pam watches. I'll have a think, there are a few others. Watchfinder gets a mixed rep on the forums but despite being a bit pricey they are 100% reputable, I'd buy from there no problem. Sign up to their mailing list, they used to send out discounts and early access to clearance sales. Which panerai by the way? I'm curious. It's a brand that never quite grabbed me. I once upset the manager of WoS in Manchester, I was trying on a Longines Legend and asked about the pannies (no other stockists in town). He got a model out of the display and proudly informed me that if I bought one, it would never be enough, I'd always come back to the brand. He looked a bit offended when I laughed and told him one would be plenty as they all looked the same.
  7. No complaints from me, superb looking watch that one!
  8. I do really like them but Seiko are a bit late to the party here - over the past 5 years every brand from Rotary to Omega have had a pop at this "retro" styling, I'm surprised Seiko are hopping on the bandwagon. They had some success with the Recraft models (which were very much a modern take on the classic case styles), and the Turtle re-issue lit a fire under collectors, who've hoovered them up in their millions. This one though... it feels more of a cash-in. I'll be interested to see the prices. Under the Presage line, presuming they aren't limited run, I'd expect them to sit right above the "Cocktail Time" - maybe retail at £600-£800.
  9. Lovely watches, I've had the orange and the lime green. The case is something like carbon fibre if I remember correctly, so yes very lightweight, feels like a toy watch. There are a few different models of the W1 as well, I'll have to get the blue and silver ones to complete my set.
  10. Is the Montblanc their Star Legacy model? I love the look of it, but I tried one of those with a view to buying it - it wore really small. 38mm-ish? From that line up I'm out pretty much on my own with the B&M model.
  11. You'd be amazed to see how many watch dealers on ebay try to pass off knackered ones as "1960's vintage watch". Decade and a half too early...
  12. Not a bad shout that. Although, it might make some watches tough to sell in the shop window. While we all dream about finding forgotten New-Old-Stock stuff in dusty backstreet jewellers, a date on the watch would potentially make "last seasons" pieces tough to sell. "I want to buy that watch, but I want one from THIS year please". Rolex did away with it - it's just a meaningless jumble of numbers and letters now rather than the classic "X, Y, Z" year serial enabling you to pinpoint the year of production.
  13. Hahaha, first year ever I really couldn't care less about it Roy. It'll be nice if we can win the Champions League, just 'coz we've never had it in the trophy case (comes to something when Villa and Nott's Forest have won more of them!) Still, league football can do one - I haven't watched more than 2 or 3 matches all year. It'll be different next season with stadiums and pubs open, but after the Super League debacle I'm thinking about taking my lad to watch Bolton Wanderers instead!
  14. I got one on Rubber, shipped from Japan. I hated it but only because of the rubber strap/clasp issue. If I had thought about it I should have picked up a cheaper model on steel, swapped them over and probably still got my money back on the one I'd bought as a donor. Well, we live and learn.
  15. Evening folks. I was going to wait until I'd collected another one of these watches, but since I have a free evening (Brit awards on telly!) I will scribble my thoughts on this now. While I appreciate Raymond Weil don't carry much weight in the WIS community, I really rather like the brand. They are pretty much new on the scene, established in the 70's, and came along just in time to capitalise on the huge quartz revolution which I suppose puts a few of the watch purists off. Even so, mechanical isn't the be-all and end-all, my current collection is a good 50/50 between battery and automatic. So, this thread isn't just about the forgotten diver in the title - it's about a full range of them! The 8000 series divers were released in the late 2000's and almost immediately started to flounder. It was a fantastic watch but sadly, retailing at around a grand, it didn't make much financial sense to buy one. The Omega Seamaster Bond Quartz was out and sold for around the same money and the Longines Hydroconquest was new on the scene with an RRP of around half the Raymond Weil. Not only that, if you felt compelled to buy a Raymond Weil then the flagship Nabucco Diver range was just about the best looking and best quality Swiss diver money could buy on the high street back then (in my humble opinion...) and they started at £1400, only a short step up in price for an automatic with the 300m rating, rather than the 200m of this series. So yes, the 8000's pretty much sank without a trace, which is a crying shame because they are exceptional quality, and these days represent a whole lot of "bang for buck" for secondhand buyers. The series was made up of five different models, all running a Swiss Quartz movement, all utilising the same case with slight modifications. All the watches are solid steel, all with a black pinstriped dial (although the 8200 and 8300 can sometimes be found with red chapter ring and sub-dial) and the large "Grand Date" twin date window at 12 o'clock (exception being the 8400, which shows the date digitally.) The 8100 was the standard 200m diver. Three hand analogue, no bells or whistles. 8200 was their GMT effort, with a sub-dial on the left side displaying a separate time-zone. 8300 was another traditional diver, but with a sub-seconds dial on the right side. 8400 was the digital/analogue model, quite a bold undertaking as late as that. 8500 was the 200m rated Chronograph. Each watch shares the same dimensions; Solid steel case. 43.5mm case diameter, 47.5mm total diameter with the crown and 12mm deep. Six prong screw on caseback. Fixed bezel (possibly their downfall)! Screw-down locking crown. Double a/r coated Sapphire Crystal. The watches came with either steel bracelet or rubber strap options in a 22mm fitting. The steel bracelets are lovely - solid links finished in brushed and polished textures, exceptional sturdy butterfly clasps, top quality throughout. The rubber straps... not so much. I've had a couple and the rubber always feels to be very tough, not especially flexible, and the material definitely doesn't lend itself to the steel deployant buckle they supply - it always seems to pop open for me, never ever feels secure. That small gripe aside, the watch feels lovely on the wrist. On steel it tips the scale at around 220grams (all links fitted), so you most definitely won't forget you're wearing it. Any other issues? Only one, that I've found. The anti reflective coating on the Sapphire is very often marked. Not noticeably, you can only see it in the sun, tilted to just the right angle, but it's there - tiny little spiderwebs or fingerprints in the coating. It doesn't make the tiniest difference in all reality, but it's about all I can moan about here. The best thing about these is the price! Despite being a high end watch in the very recent past they all pop up for sensible money on the usual sale sites. £200-£400 seems to be their ballpark with the top end of that getting you a fantastic example with original box. The 8500 chrono seems to be the most expensive to snag, and the 8400 digi/ana is the elusive one as it sold in the least numbers, but even so they do pop up. My latest acquisition was the 8300 red/black. Bought NOS for £200. Unbelievable. In fact, for "set collectors" I reckon you could complete this entire range of five watches for not much more than the thousand pounds it cost to buy one new ten years ago. Not only that, the residuals should be decent too. It's hardly a sought after classic, but there are still collectors for them out there so buy well and you'll always recoup your outlay - these have definitely done all the depreciating they are ever going to do! Here are some snaps of mine, along with a couple of stock images for the two that I'm missing. (Two of mine are listed for sale, but if I can find a mint 8400 at sensible money then I'm committed to the set then). ***EDIT*** There is technically a sixth model, the 8600, but it came out a good bit later than this original series and I don't believe it was ever released in the UK. I've never owned one but if I track down a good one over here I'll review it separately. My current trio; 8100; 8200; 8300; 8400; 8500;
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