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Posts posted by kevkojak

  1. On 18/12/2019 at 08:24, Mrs Wiggles said:

    I was doing a little research about investment watches I could afford. This one caught my eye. It's a Seiko Giugario Alien watch. Usual stuff, Hardlex crystal, 100m WR, PVD case and bracelet, and a 5 year battery life. Needless to say, the looks are quite Marmite, but I am a fan of the unusual. To be honest, the grey version is the most sort after, and commonly known as The Ellen Ripley, whilst the black is the Bishop. Needless to say the characters from the film Alien. The one I have purchased is one of a 2000 limited addition re-release. I was unable to buy from either the UK or Europe, but have agreed a deal with a seller from Japan for an unused one, £130 delivered. I intend to enjoy and wear it, but if one day we fall out of love, I feel confident a healthy profit should be made. Buying as investment isn't something I have done for many years, and I sort of feel uncomfortable about it, should I ?

    Note, this isn't the watch I have purchased, but the design is identical




    The same seller has (or had) half a dozen of the SCED watches listed, various models from the re-issue.

    To be honest I don't see them holding up. The original was an absolute icon, but to flood the market with inferior quality replicas did Seiko no favours. I know they are an unusual style and a collectable limited edition, but check out how fast the Grey Dawn sold out (48 hours all gone) compared to these, which Creation Watches were still trying to shift three years after release.

    The movement is a rubbish plastic affair, not supposed to be serviced only chucked away and replaced - compared to the original 7A series. 
    The case isn't PVD, just a hardened carbon coating - much like the naff Ion Plating of old, I fear. PVD really IS the only way to go for a black finish watch, but it looks like it was too costly for Seiko. 

    The kicker for me with the one you bought @Mrs Wiggles was that it didn't come in the original box. If you're talking "investment watch" at any level then a complete package is important, and the fact that these were just shipped in a generic plastic case put me off buying one.

    Don't get me wrong it's a fun watch but I struggle to see a strong market for these re-pop's in the future even as the originals continue to soar. They pumped out 12,000+ of these "Ripley" models in various colour schemes, but it's the "Bishop" which sold well and has built a following.

    Enjoy it, you still don't see many in the UK so I would fully expect it to hold its value, maybe not one to put in the safe to retire off though.   ;)

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  2. Very common sadly... almost all from Ukraine or (90%) India. Utter crap pretending to be vintage SQ models. The worst of the bunch are the 'slim' branded ones... the range never even existed!

    I have lost count of how many I've reported, ebay don't care.  Messaged sellers to be met with a mouthful of abuse. 

    The thing to realise is that the "dealers" for these are very rarely watch dealers... Just profiteers who have seen these things going for a tenner shipped from India and think they can double up on them.  Watch collectors should never ever be getting caught out with them (Nigel!), as it's basically "buyer beware".

    I have bought a couple through my secondary eBay account for no other reason than to leave negative feedback. Anything we can do to discourage the sale and distribution of these is a great thing. 

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  3. What a great looking watch.  A little small for me, but it's a beautiful dress watch Nigel.

    As far as info... Nada.  I've had two of the Dolce models but honestly I have never soaked up any useful nuggets of information that I could share, just what you've already said.

    The Tungsten Carbide case was a popular material to play with in the 1980's, not long before that Omega were experimenting with the "Hard Metal" ceramic type cases, and may well have produced models in this too, but it was their messing about that seemed to push the rest of the watch world to try new materials.

    Great catch.

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  4. On 11/08/2019 at 09:43, tick-tock-tittle-tattle said:

    Sorry to jump into your thread guys, but, I thought I'd give you an update on 7T32 prices.

    I was watching an Ebay auction into the wee small hours of this morning for a 7T32-7C60 Panda Dial, boxed, no papers. It was in pretty good condition and sold for £267, I guess once over this would have been a £350 watch.

    There is one on Chrono24 for £350 with no box, and, no papers, does anybody ever pay the advertised price on Chrono24? my guess is no.

    Out of interest does anybody have any experience of selling or buying with Chrono24? whenever I have been in touch with there customer service regarding pricing/valuations they just don't bother to sort out the issue.

    I have sold three 7t32-7C60 "Panda" models in the past year. One was spares/repairs (£80) and the other two fully working unrestored honest examples with original full length bracelets. One was boxed (£275) and one was loose (£220).    I just don't see these as £300+ watches, whetever eBay sellers ask for them. 

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  5. Are you local to me LG? I've got in my head you're in the North West?

    Anyway don't buy a battery, I'll give you one. Cousins sell a pack of ten for about £3 (plus related postage) and I buy 100 at a time. I'll pop one in the post for you, or if you are around Bolton just come and get one.


    P.S. the movement is probably going to be either a Miyota or (fingers crossed) a Ronda. The movement number will be stamped somewhere on it, worth just googling to find out which cell it takes.

    P.P.S. If you do decide to just order some yourself, stick with Renata. They are one of the best battery brands out there.  Worth ordering a pack of 5 or 10 if you do a few battery swaps - 371, 377 and 364 are the three most common sizes so you'll likely use more in the future.

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  6. 23 hours ago, JonnyOldBoy said:


    Just had a fascinating chat with an old friend of mine who is involved with an independent jewellery shop that has a few decades experience in selling new and pre-owned watches.

    We got chatting about "grail" watches and it was interesting to hear it from a dealers perspective. So it does seem that the concept is broadly alive outside of the WIS world with buyer saving/waiting years sometimes for the "appropriate" moment to buy the watch. From this dealer , the most "Successful" Grail watches are Omega Planet Oceans, Rolex DateJusts, Breitling Navitimer and TAG Carrera.

    Amongst the often "unsuccessful" Grail watches ( ie those that fairly soon were brought back and traded back in or sold elsewhere and the customer buys another choice ) are :

    Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch, Rolex Submariner, Breitling Chronomat and Longines Heritage Diver

    Obviously this is just one dealers experience and its nothing more than an anecdotal example, but I did find these lists kinda making logical sense really. 

    Has anyone here bought their "grail" watch only to realise afterwards that it was "not for them" ?

    I thought for a decade that a Breilting Navitmer was my Grail and was a twitch away from buying one a few years back but didn't... But that was me sailing close to the wind on this....

    I can't recall a single watch I have lusted after and then been disappointed with.
    Maybe the Seiko "Pogue", but that wasn't one I particularly desired, I just felt like it was an iconic model I should try.  FUGLY though.  :laugh:

    I have similar experiences with customers though. The Speedmaster tops the list but the most surprising was at the Rolex place I worked at - a chap waited 6 years for a Daytona and then brought it straight back the day after!    :yes:
    Weird story that one - the paperwork was already stamped and signed so we couldn't offer it to the next buyer on the list as a new watch, so we had to put it in the second-hand window. At the time RRP was £6100, but market value was around £7500. Trouble is, as a Rolex AD we weren't allowed to sell it above list! Broke my heart to let it go for RRP but that's what happened, it didn't last the day.


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  7. On 28/07/2019 at 21:40, Service Engineer said:

    Simon 2,

    Yes it's running but unreliably. It stops and starts intermittently since the battery was replaced. The store that my daughter wanted to replace the failing battery (to get their 10 year battery warranty) informed me initially there was rust present causing the problems that occured immediately after they'd worked on it but later changed that diagnosis to a faulty module. £140 for a replacement module. Prior to the stores attention the hour and minute hands synchronised perfectly.

    Five years ago when it was bought I think it only cost about £200 but it has sentimental value as it was a graduation present.

    What sort of cost do you think would likely be involved in getting it checked out and the hands reset ?



    Chris, as you suspected there is no way to alter the hands on this model other than remove the movement from the case and physically move them. The only way for the hour and minute hand to be out of sync is if the "watchmaker" (I suspect Timpsons or Debenhams given the mention of a ten year guarantee?) have removed the entire movement to change the battery.  That is simply unnecessary - it's the easiest job in the world to take the back off, clean, remove the battery, insert a new one and seal the watch back up again... it's a ten minute job even for a watch bodger from one of the above establishments. 

    My guess; they have taken out the movement (either intentionally or, more likely, accidentally by dropping it), placed it face down on a hard surface and changed the battery with pressure on the hands.

    This ten year warranty stuff is all well and good, but only if you've got someone proficient and reliable to carry out the battery change.  I dread to think how much they charge, I offer a new battery for a fiver or a "battery for life" for a tenner. Find a decent local independent if you can Chris it'll save you money in the long run. 

  8. At home I'm chewing through Shoe Dog by Phil Knight (Nike founder). 
    At work I'm halfway through The Bourne Enigma (about number ten or eleven in the series, but Ludlum pegged it years ago and Eric Van Lustbader is hit-and-miss at writing Bourne).

    I've shelved that for the week though because the other day I unearthed a first edition copy of One Shot by Lee Child.  That was the only Reacher book I hadn't read because quite stupidly I watched the movie first. Glad I gave it a go because there are some huge alterations to the main story.

  9. On 19/07/2019 at 17:48, BondandBigM said:

    Most of their shops are just glorified jumble sales but ours isn't to bad. The better stuff is mostly on their website. 

    But beware

    As an example a proper "Made in Italy" Vivienne Westwood London shirt will set you back a couple of hundred quid and some but the ones TK Max and some of the other similar discount retailers knock out for sixty or seventy quid are all made in Rumania or Turkey and not a patch on the proper ones and from the look of them some of the clothes are probably "seconds" 

    So I don't doubt for a minute the watches are cheap for a reason. 

    Nothing to lose at £35 but I'm not sure I buy one at sizable money. 


    I've had quite a bit of Henry Lloyd and Ralph Lauren stuff from mine which is certainly the read deal, but a few weeks ago I picked up a Ted Baker shirt (only £35) which looks like Stevie Wonder did the finishing on. 

    When I took it back they said there was no chance whatsoever it could be fake, but often with the high end clobber it's either catalogue returns or end of line (last season) stuff.

    Could be mine was a wonky one from the catalogue, but I buy a lot of Ted Baker and I highly doubt one left the factory/sweat-shop like that. More likely someone bought a proper one from the catalogue and sent an iffy one back... no way to prove it though.






    On 20/07/2019 at 12:00, JonnyOldBoy said:

    Last year our local TK has some Fortis watches in ,,,, at 30% of RRP.... They never appeared in their online listings so its always worth keeping an eye out if you are near a major one... Their sister company in German often supplies the UK with some very very nice watches that are end-of-line prior to newer models etc etc.

    They had a few of the classic B42 Flieger models in my local one too.
    The discounts looked healthy, but then I noticed the RRP had been quite vastly inflated.  It still ended up to about 25% off if I recall.

    It wasn't long after the brand went into administration (since saved) so maybe a quick stock dump.  :biggrin:


    The one on Middlebrook retail park currently has a couple of Frederique Constant models, including the limited edition auto which comes with a model Austin Healey rally car. Again, it's a silly price, they want about a grand for it after the discount. 

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  10. Cheers for the heads up but fake Seikos (Feiko's?) are becoming more prominent everywhere.  I had been looking for a NEMO Turtle for a few months when a friend put me onto the "Wish" website.  Obviously thye use mainly stock images but they look frighteningly real... and £55!!   

    Not just those either, you name it and you can buy it... It's come to something when they are knocking out replica 7T92 chrono's! 

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  11. On 18/07/2019 at 17:58, BondandBigM said:

    Possibly or maybe they just order another link in for the one in the safe later rather than lose a sale. At the time I couldn’t have told you how many links it did, didn’t or should have come with originally and in reality that probably goes for 99% of the watch buying public who just wants something that fits. I doubt if it’s a practice exclusive to Rolex.

    @kevkojak might be able to enlighten us. 

    Pretty amazed at this. Rolex might have gained a bit of a bad rep amongst collectors but they look after their AD's with stuff like this, they wouldn't let them lose a sale over a link.

    I worked with the brand for a little while years ago and the only links they charged us for were the precious metal ones - gold and platinum. Those came at cost price, just shy of £200 let's say. 

    More surprising were the buyers who weren't interested in taking their spares!  More common with the older chaps, the ones who've wanted a Rolex for years and decided to splurge, but it happened with all sorts of buyers. Buy the watch, have it fitted, put it on and piss off without the box, paperwork or links!   :swoon:    I sold a Daytona to England goalkeeper Joe Hart for his Mrs and he left everything - just took the watch loose! 

    No complaints, those leftover links paid for the Christmas knees up most years.  :biggrin:

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  12. On 17/07/2019 at 20:48, Roger the Dodger said:

    Heads up @Nigelp , @kevkojak and anyone else interested. I've posted this here because of the thread title. There is a yellow 7T32 'Daytona' on the bay at the moment. It's a BIN advert, but at £300, about £200 more than I would pay, and this is one of my grail watches!!! Still, one of you might be interested. (I've waited for more than a year for one of these to show up, I have a 'saved' search on ebay...but then it's waaay too much...:taz:) Link if you're interested.


    Edit: Within the last hour it's just dropped to £250.....still £150 too much!

    Thanks @Roger the Dodger but I'm absolutely skint for a while.  Having a bloody awful time of it after a diamond faux-pas in the shop! 

    That's a great example of a rare watch, but I've had a couple of those mustard yellow ones - it's the white one I have had real trouble tracking down!   

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  13. Good heads up.

    Weird stock item for TK Maxx, I didn't think they sold the T-Navigator auto in the UK, I've never seen it in an AD here,  only on Joma and Creation.

    Good discount but it looks like that is about the going rate on it, they don't seem to have taken much market share away from the Couturier model unfortunately. 
    Just be aware that while the 3-hander uses a tried and trusted ETA 2836 calibre, the chronograph runs the C01.211 movement. It's still an ETA in name but it was designed from the very old Lemania 5100 for use in Swatch watches and "appropriated" for some Tissot models to save having to fit the more expensive Valjoux 7750.

    It's a superb movement, my Couturier ran one and I believe the Seastar chrono's all run it too, but it's not a patch on the Valjoux. I'm not sure how you would go on with servicing, it's probably a throw-away module.

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  14. On 01/07/2019 at 15:26, Always"watching" said:

    Many thanks for that link, dear @WRENCH - most informative even if it feels tinged with hype - and thanks @kevkojak for your pithy assessment of Omax watches. I presume that Seiko agreed to provide various components to Omax, which surprises me a bit given the general quality and price sector levels of Seiko group watch brands. Most interesting.:)

    It's not so much that Seiko "agreed" sadly. Anyone can arrange to buy movements in bulk from SeikoEpson. The danger therein is that people see "seiko" stamped into a movement and presume that the watch they are holding is of equivalent quality to a higher end Seiko when really it's probably closer to an entry level lorus. 

  15. They are rubbish.

    I often end up stuck with them if I buy a job lot of Seiko stuff.  Made in China but pushing the Japanese angle because they (sort of) use Seiko movements.   Sadly the movements they use are the crap ones, usually reserved for lorus or alba, occasionally pulsar. 

    They are dirt cheap, low quality and maybe others have had more luck but I literally struggle to give them away.

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  16. 2 hours ago, Laughing gravy said:

    Very interesting , I’m starting to develop an interest in these old seiko Chronos


    thank you


    edit Oops.  Just been on the bay and bought the bi metal first gen.  


    £75.00.  Could get messy this

    That was a cracking buy, looked in really nice condition that one.

    If you need links I have a few spare for this bi-metal model (not sure I have any plain steel ones).

  17. Another look at a relatively obscure Seiko range today, the Executive Chronograph.

    This is a massively under-appreciated range of chronographs built to exceptional standards.
    They look amazing, they weigh a ton and they were (are) constructed using the very best materials, yet they never took off in the UK the way they should have done. 

    There have been two generations of the Executive (coincidentally I have never heard the name of the range outside of the Seiko catalogue), and only the first gen made it to the UK.

    First issued in 2005, the Executive is a heavy (close to 200 grams with all the links fitted) dress chronograph.
    Immediately of course we have an oxymoron. Chrono's aren't dressy, they are traditionally big sporty lumps, generally designed for sports and racing. Still, Seiko went their own way with this one and touted it more as a dress watch with chronograph feature, and priced it way above the standard fare.  When I worked in a Seiko shop in 2009 they stocked these, and while a basic 7t62 was around the £160-£180 price point these were in a league of their own, retailing at almost double.

    Only two watches in this early range, both model 7t62-0EW0
    SNA525. Stainless steel case and bracelet. Sapphire Crystal glass. Black dial with silver Roman Numerals and thick silver minute tracks around the deeply recessed sub-dials.

    SNA526. Steel case and bracelet with gold tracks in the bracelet and gold ring around the bezel. Sapphire Crystal glass. Silver dial, heavily textured. As above but gold details rather than silver.

    Identical dimensions, they are heavy watches and look imposing on the wrist too, with a case diameter of 42mm, stretching to 46mm when taking into account the chunky tapered crown, and sitting 10mm deep.
    The bracelets are not joined directly to the case, instead being pinned to a slightly longer hinged section allowing the watch to sit flat even on a large wrist.
    Bracelet links are not folded steel or hollow metal, instead they are solid steel, drilled for a split-pin. They look, feel and are top quality for the time.
    As mentioned, the glass is scratch resistant Sapphire Crystal. (although check out my black one - scratched over the 4 numeral... don't ask!).

    In short, with an RRP of £299 in steel and £325 in bi-metal this was a lot of watch for the money. Better still, you can find them second hand for under £100 all day long!
    Sadly they weren't a "best seller" over here in the UK, so while they were made from 2005 to 2009, the range was then pulled and we weren't treated to the even better second generation....



    The second gen is much harder to come by, again they weren't cheap new and they were import only. As much as I hate to say it, there are a lot of more tempting choices with £300 to spend on a foreign market Seiko.

    This time there were four watches in the range, released in 2010 and (I believe) discontinued two years later.  All bracelet models as far as I can tell, though the 21mm lugs allow a strap to be fitted as with mine.
      They were;

    SNAE29 - Steel case. Sapphire glass. Textured silver dial. Glossy black Roman numerals.  Recessed sub-dials.
    SNAE31 - Steel case. Sapphire glass. Textured black dial. Polished steel Roman numerals. Recessed sub-dials.
    SNAE32 - Steel case with gold bezel. Sapphire glass. Textured silver dial. Polished gold Roman numerals. Recessed sub-dials.
    SNAE51 - Steel case. Sapphire glass. Textured brown/burgundy dial. Polished steel Roman numerals. Recessed sub-dials.

    Now, it's only after stumbling across that '51 model on WatchSleuth that I knew it existed, it had totally eluded me until then! Not only that, there are a couple of "Old Stock" models still available from Amazon (£200-ish). 

    The watch has very similar dimensions to the original range, with a 42.5mm case diameter and the same 46mm total width.
    The bracelet is a nice change, with a 7 bar "gate" style instead of the heavier 5 bar from the original. 
    Once again it's a solid steel piece, and again the model uses a Sapphire glass (watchsleuth have it wrong, stating Hardlex).

    Sadly, because this range didn't make it to the UK I can't quote RRP, but a couple of the import sites have it at £260-ish, so it appears to be a step below the first gen.


    All in all this is an affordable but undeniably high end Seiko chronograph. They make a perfect "go-to" for any occasion and on the second hand market they won't break the bank.
    Six watches make up the "set" and with patience, I think you could build the entire collection for £500, the price of a low-end Swiss alternative.


    Here are some pictures of my three (both first gen models and the SNAE29), and stock images of the remainder.















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  18. It changes daily, but the "Pink" version of the Greatest Showman song (I don't know what it's called...sorry).   Heart Radio play it 16 times a day. 

    I was forced into watching the above movie and despite wanting to hate it I really enjoyed it, Hugh Jackman knows his way around a musical (His Les Miserables was an exceptional version too).
    However the following album of songs by obnoxious famous tw@s, which that Pink song was taken from, was just appalling to the point of being offensive to my ears.   

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