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  1. Just though I'd let people know that I have finished a huge update after a lot of research to the page on my site on the history of the Société d’Horlogerie La Générale and Helvetia and you can find it here: https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/history One of the most surprising things I found is that the Montres Helvetia S.A. that is around at the moment is not a modern relaunch but isn't the Helvetia that grew from La Generale either. It is actually Montres Silvana S.A. that took over the Helvetia name in 1973 when they were both part of SGT and as such has been around since 1923. Nice to see one of the old companies still exists even with a name change! Thanks. Carl.
  2. I used Replate It from Canada https://www.replateit.com/ I did look for somewhere in the UK but the prices were all high and reviews so-so, It cost $65 for a single coat and refinish and $35 for additional coats. I went for one as I will only be wearing it occasionally as it has to fit in with all my other Helvetias. Of course there is postage as well but it was still cheaper than anything else I was quoted. There are loads of good reviews about them and I can't fault the service or the result. It took a little while, about 3 months, but as it had been sat in a drawer waiting for about 2 years I thought it best just to send it off and forget about it and it would be a surprise when I got it back. I also got a chrome case that was too far gone to wear redone. I normally don't mind a bit of wear on a chrome case but this one would have just sat there forever so I thought it was worth an experiment. They obviously had to polish this one down to remove the pitting so it has softened the edges a bit but again I can't fault the finish. It is nickel with a rhodium finish as they don't do chrome.
  3. Got the watch back from the re-platers. They've done a brilliant job. It looks like new. Any marks that you think you can see are reflections the actual watch is flawless. Her is a before with almost all the plating worn away: and after: Thanks. Carl.
  4. Not to hijack the thread but here is a 1954 ad for the auto version. I'm hoping the replating looks good. It's hard to see in the pics but the hands and markers are red gold and the case was yellow gold plated so it will look nice when done fingers crossed!
  5. Hi, I haven't seen one exactly the same but in this period, 1950s, Helvetia did have quite a few 'different' looking watches before becoming a bit more mainstream in the 60s. Lots of textured dials and unusual markers, I've a couple of interesting ones from this time including one with worn gold plating which I have just sent of to be replated. I'll post some picture when it's back if you want. Here's another interesting one of mine from 1955. Thanks for the plug for the site as well! Carl
  6. Thanks. The Helvetia 834 to 845 movements aren't radically different but range between 21 and 34 jewels. How much actual difference it made to the accuracy of the watch is debatable. The 847 is an adapted AS movement. I wouldn't be surprised if the watch left the factory like that. I've see Helvetia watches with the wrong jewel count on the dial before. When they switched from their own shock protection to Incabloc I've also seen watches marked Incabloc still using their own shock absorber. I think things were a bit more flexible in those days. For more on Helvetia movements have a look at my site here: https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/movements Thanks. Carl.
  7. Arrived yesterday, unfortunately nothing inside the case at all. Nice condition Helvetia 81-24 movement as expected. I'll lay money on this being sold as Sackville originally. I'll take some more pics when it's on a nice strap. I'd be interested to see what's in the catalogue Thanks. Carl
  8. I haven't been able to find any more on CLB beyond that General Watch Co registered it in 1931. From what I can see it seems to be only applied to rolled gold cases so maybe is something to do with that. The whole Sackville line seems to consist of rolled gold and plated cases so I wonder if it was a cheaper line that Helvetia didn't want to put their name to. It strikes me as an 'English' trade name and not Swiss. I bought the watch below yesterday. These are the only pics so far but definitely Helvetia by the serial number on the back. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a 'Sackville' though. I'll have to see what the inside tells us when I get it.
  9. Hello. I've not seen another case made by them for Helvetia but the purse watch is unusual. They did use many different case manufacturers, The fact that the case has a Helvetia serial number on it shows that it came as a whole from them rather than Sackville buying in the movement. It was not unusual for other brands to take whole watches from Helvetia, including serial number, and just put their names on them. I've seen Helbros, Aero, Huber, Nisus, Nallog, Angora, Abercrombie & Fitch, Ditis and others with completely Helvetia made watches but with their own name on the dial. Most of these brands also used other manufacturers as well. Sackville is like another brand I've found, The Fenchurch Lever Watch, which seems to be Australian, in that they only seem to use Helvetia/General Watch Co watches and I'm not sure if they are actually part of General Watch Co or not.
  10. Hello all, I'm 99% sure Sackville is a trade name of Helvetia/General Watch Co. Every Sackville watch I've seen has had a Helvetia movement and most GW Co cases. Have a look at my site here for movements: https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/movements They mainly seem to be pocket watches and clocks for the UK market. If they have serial numbers you can use my lookup to date them: https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/serial-numbers This is a nice purse watch. Helvetia Cal 81 movement. Serial number dates it to 1931. Thanks. Carl
  11. Yes, exactly the same save for the addition of a case number at the bottom. I have found quite a few other SGT branded, Sandoz, Avia etc. watches that are the same or slight variants of dial colour etc. That's a shame, nice watch. I'm surprised mine is running so well now. I think they are pretty reliable movements generally. That's interesting, waste not, want not!
  12. Just thought I'd show my new arrival. A first for me, an ESA Dynatron 9154 movement. Battery powered but with a balance wheel. Dial was loose and so hands were rubbing and the seconds hand had fallen off but that didn't take long to fix and it's now running fine. Interesting period in watchmaking.
  13. Early 1940s Helbros. Helvetia 3190 waterproof case and rare Helvetia Cal 820 movement.
  14. Unfortunately the watch is not mine and that is the only example of it I have seen. Fortunately there is a picture of the movement. It is the Helvetia 822 which is based on their Cal 81/ Cal 82. The naming would suggest it is an adapted Cal 82 but those I've seen seem to be adapted from the Cal 81, these two movements are very similar. On the version in the 'Sport' the adaptations are on the dial side so you can't see much from the photo. However most Cal 822 movements were used in the Helvetia 'Stop' which is a more standard stop second chronograph they had out at the same time. In these the adaptions are visible and I even have the patent drawing for them. Have a look at my page here for more info: https://www.helvetiahistory.co.uk/the-helvetia-stop-chronostop-watch
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