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  1. Hi Cyclops- immensely helpful, thanks & all understood. Ok but is your eg here.. [So from a full wind you wear the watch one day but only put 4 hours of reserve back into it you will be down to 36 hours, you then go to bed and you then lose another 8 hours, now down to 28 hours you repeat that another day and your down to 24 hours, eventually you will have to manually wind it. ] .. a standard scenario? or are you sort of picturing a worst case/ inactive scenario? I'm trying to establish on an average wrist, with average activity, wearing constantly.. what this reserve/ down to/ topped up to/ might be. I know its impossible to know how active I am, but just say I'm average+ (I'm out & about, walk alot, I use manual tools etc = fairly active). What would you expect my input to the crown-winding to be? wind every 40hrs? wind once every 20 hrs? wind every now & then? wind very infrequently? likely never have to wind? I still wonder from a design pov, what is expected of the user: I wonder what the user manual might have said.
  2. I was only referring to Cyclops' last post: saying 'go buy a quartz' which wasn't helpful- that's all. Igerswis. As I said it is nothing to do with buying, or choosing a watch. I have the watch. I'm just trying to find out exactly how its meant to work.
  3. Cyclops. Its nothing to do with choosing a watch. Its do do with establishing is a watch has a fault, or not. Its paramount I find out. In order to establish if it has a fault 1stly I need to find out -exactly- what is expected in this omega automatic, with regard to the (normal daily moving around) user's input, & the manual winding mechanism via the crown. Can anyone lend a helpful reply?
  4. Hi Cyclops930. Thanks for that. Ok more consensus on the opinion that its perhaps designed to be 'topped up' by way of the auto mech, & wound prior to this. But how often it is designed to be wound, is the very point I'm trying to ascertain. Again Cyclops' 'should be'.. is not definitive. Can anyone else lend an opinion? anyone who owns an omega auto-wind, with the weight/ bumper mechanism in? No, this is not useful in my life to do this at all, &, it is not an automatic watch then. Automatic by this very word alone, clearly suggests it self-winds. My father's watch is one. It does exactly this IE being lazy it suits him perfectly as he never has needed to intervene & manually wind it. But I don't know if this similar level of functionality is to be expected of an 'automatic watch', or, whether not neccessarily so & the user (wearing it constantly- never removing it) DOES have to intervene & wind it because it has run out of wind. An automatic car self-gearshifts, you are not expected to intervene when it decides not to be automatic when it chooses to, & you to intervene & start shifting gears (if so then I'd not call this car automatic, but 'semi-automatic'). Can anyone see what I'm trying to establish here? its fairly precise: maybe, should be, perhaps, probably.. are not of any use to me. Its absolutely important I find out what is expected of a user, wearing an omega automatic watch constantly, with it in good serviced condition. Thanks- zoot
  5. Hi Wrench. Yes the reserve ~tallies with that (I was told by the company who have serviced the watch in the past actually '40 hrs'). I'm not sure quite yet though, how this reserve & the auto-wind mechanism co-exist relative to the owner's input. I was under the impression, that just as you say, that it should not need to be manually wound if 1) there's sufficient daily movement, normal let's say.. and 2) its in good serviced condition. I wonder if anyone can concur with this, as Wrench's experience seems to suggest?
  6. Ok Des, thanks- understand this in principle. When you say 'should' keep it wound.. this is the very nub of my Q. Can you, or anyone expand further? I was wanting to know if the design is such, that a series of crown winds (say as many as 30x) plus normal movement whilst wearing, instead of "should be enough" was perhaps "would be enough" to keep it wound. You see from my perspective, one is a definite "automatic" situation (it would be enough).. whereby if this is not neccessarily so, & only "it should" implies the crown perhaps needs to be used regularly in conjunction with the auto-mech (both used together on a weekly basis for eg).. which to me is a "semi-automatic" situation. Can you see what I'm trying to establish here? thanks, zoot
  7. Hi- regarding a vintage omega seamaster (bumper mechanism) automatic watch. How do the manual crown-winding, & the automatic bumper-winding mechanisms work together? What is a user (in day-to-day, normal conditions) expected to do, to simply keep the watch running correctly with regard to these two entirely different wind mechanisms? Thanks zoot.
  8. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    Can anyone help me out here? if my Q is not clear, if someone could say.. & I'll simplify it. I'm in a whole new set of problems now with this watch. I have another thing I need clarity on. How the manual winding (crown) & the auto-wind system work together. What is a user's normal/ expected input with such a bumper-mechanism automatic watch, to keep it functioning correctly/ as it should?
  9. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    Indeed I have Karrusel. But I'd still like to know simply what happens, asking on here to knowledgeable folks.. for certain reasons I won't divulge for now. Previously you see it went to Pragnell's for an evaluation, & a huge quote I couldn't afford was the result (I got it back). I have just phoned them, to ask my specific Q, but they say they send onto wherever it is for repair/ its not done there.. so I can't ask the repair department directly ("we send on, but we'll ask for you" > & they don't reply or don't know what I'm asking.. bc they're not repaires/ a catch22). I mentioned for the evaluation "a spring dislodge possible + a quote for a clean please".. but just got back a quote "for a service" (no mention of the spring, or the word 'clean' = confusion). BUT THEN on getting the watch back, so far as I could tell, it did not feel or work the same.. leading me into calls/ emails to them/ posts on here/ an opinion of another repairer = I got nowhere definitive tbh. Hence I need to establish WHAT MAY have been the situation during any evaluation to see only if it needs a clean/ what general condition is, IE what likely happened after they opened the back. I'll never get the actual answer if I can't talk to the repair dept directly.. so my next best approach is to ask -on here- what were the LIKELY steps taken during such a (presumably foc) brief evaluation. 1 back off, 2..? 3..? 4 back on again.
  10. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    Hi thanks for the link- gives me info I needed on the springs, assuming omega use similar coiled types. On the 2nd question you refer to above: no I wasn't trying to ask what happens in a service. I was wanting to know only this; If its sent for -an evaluation only- (this would not involve a strip down, A) bc I would not have not authorised this, B) bc it involves considerable work/ time which is not being paid for).. IE I send off just for an evaluation to see if it is deemed neccessary to do a clean.. what would this evaluation entail is my Q? the only thing I know is remove the back. But from there, to establishing if it needs a clean (or not).. what are the steps they would take in order to tell? for eg, remove half the movement-? remove nothing & simply eye-glass the condition-? put it in a swiss x-ray ct scanner coated in snake oil-? What would be the likely scenario bearing in mind this is just an evaluation, not a service. thanks zoot
  11. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    Karrusel, if you're out there, could you expand on the bumper mech basics for me? I know a flat weight shifts around ~half the diameter of the dial, at the back of the movement/ under the watch back. It -feels- like its cushioned when it gets to its extremity point.. by what exactly I'm still not sure: could you describe for me as best you could this "spring" mentioned? and are there two, one at each side/ weight in a (vintage) omega seamaster? And a general question. If a bumper movement watch like this is sent ONLY for an evaluation as to whether or not it needs a clean.. exactly how is this question answered by the technician? precisely what are the steps taken to establish yes a clean, or no not needed? IE, 1st strap removed, 2nd watch put in a clamp, 3rd back is removed, but what next 4th.. etc? Thanks zoot
  12. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    @simon2 Back on board.. Replied via email/ yes to a full service. Let me know email received ok? will PM my tel no. thanks zoot. Interesting is simon2's info on the bad bumper mech assembly: the mech, bar the spring dislodge, seemed to work fine before I sent it to Pragnell's for evaluation/ quote for service.. but no word on anything re. the bumper mech, in fact, they said 'nothing wrong with it, watch just needs a service'. Very odd: something obviously wrong with it, even from me not knowing what a bumper mech was. More strangeness followed, as when I rcvd it back (no work done- I couldn't afford their omega-certified-repairer's quote) the bumper mech A) felt different, not nearly as fluid, like weight was inhibited in its movement & the klonk not as apparant.. & B) it simply didn't work properly; it didn't power the watch as it did before wearing it, it kept running out of steam & stopping: before, even once the spring disloged, it worked without ever stopping. Any thoughts chaps?
  13. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    I shall post findings on here. Great resource this forum- much appreciate the info & replies.
  14. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    @sim Hi Simon- watch came to me/ Ive just sent on to you today > getting to you by 1pm tomorrow RM. Do let me know arrived if you would- thanks zoot
  15. Zoot

    Old omega, issue.

    Ok Im getting it back from repairer > then once I can get to it, I can send on to you simon. may be 2 weeks or so. Many thanks for all the replies from folks/ help by the way.. very grateful. zoot
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