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Trading Standards and Fakes question


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18 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Right its over - got my cash back after a TWO MONTH nightmare !! Will post the full story later with pics (of the watch not me) - might want to grab a decent bottle of red ! There's a fair bit to tell - but one things for sure NEVER again !

Waiting. :yes:

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Here’s how I see it, you’ve called out some random person for ripping you off but provided absolutely no real evidence, not even a link to the original sale just your story which to me, rightly or wro

I was just about to post it, comments are interesting. If you read down them far enough one sticks out. 10 posts, a fake £9K Rolex that at that time were almost impossible to get a hold of, a sta

Tony Hetherington's article https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-5877477/TONY-HETHERINGTON-Time-money-9-000-Rolex-purchased-online-counterfeit.html https://www.pressreader.com/uk

2 hours ago, Benroon said:

Right its over - got my cash back after a TWO MONTH nightmare !! Will post the full story later with pics (of the watch not me) - might want to grab a decent bottle of red ! There's a fair bit to tell - but one things for sure NEVER again !

Well?

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lol Sorry chaps - will post up the stuff tomorrow, am on call tonight - it might send some to sleep but might help a few peeps that have that nagging doubt, who won't be any use to you and who are, and the massive lesson learnt never EVER deal with Paypal !

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12 hours ago, Benroon said:

 massive lesson learnt never EVER deal with Paypal !

I had an issue with Paypal a few years ago , I bought some alloy wheels from a private seller on Ebay that never turned up and were never going to.
I contacted Paypal who long story short were most apologetic but basically tough luck the bloke has emptied his account and moved house , but if he ever gets any money back in his account we will pay you back .

Fortunately I had used a credit card to pay ,they took the money back from Paypal and reimbursed me in a couple of days .

Funnily enough Paypal was now interested but unfortunately for them I no longer was :)

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On 31/05/2018 at 20:58, Benroon said:

lol Sorry chaps - will post up the stuff tomorrow, am on call tonight - it might send some to sleep but might help a few peeps that have that nagging doubt, who won't be any use to you and who are, and the massive lesson learnt never EVER deal with Paypal !

The forum waits patiently :Snore:

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On 31/05/2018 at 15:58, Benroon said:

lol Sorry chaps - will post up the stuff tomorrow, am on call tonight - it might send some to sleep but might help a few peeps that have that nagging doubt, who won't be any use to you and who are, and the massive lesson learnt never EVER deal with Paypal !

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. 

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Right thanking you for waiting the 2.5 years :ooops:I had forgotten what forum I had started this on and then life took over. But I found it again after posting a recent question. Absolutely no idea how much detail I can post of the worm (below) that started all this so the mods can delete where necessary - though if the maggot does sue you I will hereby pay all your legal costs !

So after an horrific 4 month experience with Paypal who throughout the entire experience were desperate to let the fraudster get away with it as no doubt the money had gone and just could not have been more unhelpful if they tried. Firstly a letter from Rolex would be enough they stated, then once I got it they refused it, then said Trading Standards would be enough, got that and they then refused that too, a police crime number would then be sufficient they said, I got that, they then refused that too. They would only entertain a return of the item which there was no way I would do. However to cut a long story short I sent the story off to The Mail on Sunday newspaper who took up the issue and printed it as their main story (huge headline etc) on their consumer help page. Suddenly Paypal were interested and their 'executive' management got in touch, refunded the money and an apology - however I threatened to sue them for all the time and hassle and after an initial paltry offer of a hundred quid settled for a grand credit ! The police throughout the entire experience were utterly useless! They told me to go to the even more useless ActionFraud website who even state on their homepage the likelihood is they will ignore you. I gave the police the fraudsters name, the address, the email address, the counterfeit letter from Rolex, the seizure notice from Trading Standards confirming it was a fake, there was nothing they needed, the easiest conviction on a plate and they could not be arsed at all! Beyond useless.

Trading Standards however were absolute legends though I had to blag my way in. They won't deal with individuals with individual items, however I just turned up at their office as an absolute last resort, claimed I had an appointment, which I hadn't and then they sent someone to reception to find out what it was about. Got chatting to a brilliant guy who clearly felt sorry for me and then took it up, even though it wasn't in his job spec. This was largely due to Paypal pompously telling me that they 'do not have to adhere to UK law as they are based in Luxembourg' and Trading Standards are not a body they recognise. This was their big mistake as it really pissed off my TS guy who took it personally. (The truth is they actually have more powers than the police I was told later) Absolute legend. If it wasn't for that blag I would now be 10 grand out of pocket so whilst tenacity won the day, I guess I got lucky too.

The maggot who tried to con me - Philip Hawkins  - philh1976@icloud.com - Tony Hetherington the consumer champion from The Mail on Sunday, again did a fantastic job for me, sent off a few wake up calls to Paypal and did some excellent digging, found him on another watch forum flogging another fake, and handed that to the police too (again totally not interested) - however out of the blue about 18 months later I got a mail from Tony saying a 'specialist' police unit had been in touch and asked him if I could pass on all details to them, which obviously I did but heard nothing back after that - so keep an eye out for this name in any of your dealings. When I get time I WILL track him down!

He came so so close - the AD said the watch was 'likely genuine' but wouldn't put it in writing and the only reason an alarm went off for me was because ONE tooth on the dial was sticking, everything else seemed good right down to the glass etching - it kept me awake that night and that feeling just grew. That and the hinge on the box kind of clicked in a weird way. If it wasn't for that solitary tooth I would probably be wearing it now (albeit with a green wrist !!) and Mr Hawkins would be away with the 10 grand. 

I've tried posting pics of the watch - but I can't do it straight from my phone as I would expect to be able to ? If someone can tell me how I will gladly post them up.

In conclusion be careful out there, the police are pointless even when its served up to them on a plate and go near Paypal at your peril ! 

 

 

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Thanks for taking the time to update. Most of us are grateful for such stories... there are a couple of "Flat Earthers" on here who deny the very existence of this convincing counterfeits but most people obviously acknowledge they are out there and your story does give the consumer a bit of hope ..... thx ....

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Thanks and pleased it all worked out for you.  Rolex appear to be the most faked watch brand Some are really good, and cost upwards of a grand. Boxes and papers can be bought as well to match the best fakes. 

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10 minutes ago, JoT said:

I was just about to post it, comments are interesting. If you read down them far enough one sticks out.

10 posts, a fake £9K Rolex that at that time were almost impossible to get a hold of, a stash of Brightblings stuck in a a safety deposit box and the OP is in Asia thinking about flying back just to check on them, on top of that the article is in The Wail and I wouldn’t even trust their tv listings to be true.

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Call me an old cynic if you like but the Conservatory bloke didn’t miss the mark 

:laughing2dw: :laughing2dw:
 

 

 

 

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On 12/01/2021 at 19:17, BondandBigM said:

I was just about to post it, comments are interesting. If you read down them far enough one sticks out.

10 posts, a fake £9K Rolex that at that time were almost impossible to get a hold of, a stash of Brightblings stuck in a a safety deposit box and the OP is in Asia thinking about flying back just to check on them, on top of that the article is in The Wail and I wouldn’t even trust their tv listings to be true.

:whistle:

Call me an old cynic if you like but the Conservatory bloke didn’t miss the mark 

:laughing2dw: :laughing2dw:
 

 

 

 

I've read that over and over again and still haven't a clue what the problem is ?

What I posted was just to try and help anyone who may go through the nightmare I had - however feel free to know better.

 

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6 hours ago, Benroon said:

I've read that over and over again and still haven't a clue what the problem is ?

What I posted was just to try and help anyone who may go through the nightmare I had - however feel free to know better.

 

Here’s how I see it, you’ve called out some random person for ripping you off but provided absolutely no real evidence, not even a link to the original sale just your story which to me, rightly or wrongly, doesn’t add up then you turn up years later with another tale of woe.

:hmmm9uh:

In my experience there are three sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth and so far we’ve only had 1 out of 3 

So as said call me an old cynic if you like.

 

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On 14/01/2021 at 11:58, BondandBigM said:

Here’s how I see it, you’ve called out some random person for ripping you off but provided absolutely no real evidence, not even a link to the original sale just your story which to me, rightly or wrongly, doesn’t add up then you turn up years later with another tale of woe.

:hmmm9uh:

In my experience there are three sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth and so far we’ve only had 1 out of 3 

So as said call me an old cynic if you like.

 

Are you for real ? What evidence would you like ? - so somehow I've managed to concoct a DETAILED event from my own imagination ? with enough 'evidence' to convince most intelligent people, managed to get a leading NATIONAL newspaper to run the story (you would assume they would check it out for fear of being sued right?) - they must have then fabricated their conversation with a leading financial institution in print and Trading Standards, oh got a grand out of Paypal (bet me I didn't and I'll provide you the proof) who just chuck thousands away at chancers right ? police crime numbers, oh and described the chronological version of events that I could only know if I had been through it correct ? As for the link to the sale, can you find one from 2.5 years ago on Ebay ? - however I can, I also asked other forum members if they knew a way for me to add NUMEROUS photos of the watch, again to help others, directly from my phone, and I would show them. It includes DOZENS of pictures of the watch AND the original listing - would that be enough ? 

So chump, what is it that doesn't add up ? Let me know and I'll educate you further, it may even help others which was the reason for my posting - to which you've added what ?

Was it the views count that's put your nose out of joint ? 

Of course you could always email him (oh look evidence provided there too) and get his version of events and post it up here …...or perhaps better just to stop digging.

 

 

 

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