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JonnyOldBoy

Why your Grail watch may not be....

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2 hours ago, Karrusel said:

Probably  :)

 

I’m sure many mariners are grateful to Ulysse Nardin for his highly accurate timepieces, particularly marine chronometers.

If there is a trademark (anchor) synonymous with a brands heritage then this is most definitely one of them.

Since 1846 over 6000 certificates & prizes, plus 10 gold medals, have been awarded to UN at International exhibitions.

A connoisseurs choice, IMO

 

:biggrin:

 

I do like a big date, and if I was a luxury watch guy, I would go for a UN22  Michelangelo GMT.  To wear on my round-the-world yacht.  Next time zone - *click*!

Scott has a nice one, and, in fairness, it would only be right to do me a deal on tick!

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I’m pretty happy with my lot but I suppose if I was forced to pick a grail it’d be something vintage and expensive to the point where I could never justify or affford it :laughing2dw:

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13 hours ago, Roger the Dodger said:

Sorry, Nige, but you're wrong this time.:thumbsup:

if the real interest goes rog you will have to relinquish all powers that you have at the mo and join me and bond on the back benches taking the micky. 

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23 hours ago, JonnyOldBoy said:

 

Just had a fascinating chat with an old friend of mine who is involved with an independent jewellery shop that has a few decades experience in selling new and pre-owned watches.

We got chatting about "grail" watches and it was interesting to hear it from a dealers perspective. So it does seem that the concept is broadly alive outside of the WIS world with buyer saving/waiting years sometimes for the "appropriate" moment to buy the watch. From this dealer , the most "Successful" Grail watches are Omega Planet Oceans, Rolex DateJusts, Breitling Navitimer and TAG Carrera.

Amongst the often "unsuccessful" Grail watches ( ie those that fairly soon were brought back and traded back in or sold elsewhere and the customer buys another choice ) are :

Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch, Rolex Submariner, Breitling Chronomat and Longines Heritage Diver

Obviously this is just one dealers experience and its nothing more than an anecdotal example, but I did find these lists kinda making logical sense really. 

Has anyone here bought their "grail" watch only to realise afterwards that it was "not for them" ?

I thought for a decade that a Breilting Navitmer was my Grail and was a twitch away from buying one a few years back but didn't... But that was me sailing close to the wind on this....

I can't recall a single watch I have lusted after and then been disappointed with.
Maybe the Seiko "Pogue", but that wasn't one I particularly desired, I just felt like it was an iconic model I should try.  FUGLY though.  :laugh:

I have similar experiences with customers though. The Speedmaster tops the list but the most surprising was at the Rolex place I worked at - a chap waited 6 years for a Daytona and then brought it straight back the day after!    :yes:
Weird story that one - the paperwork was already stamped and signed so we couldn't offer it to the next buyer on the list as a new watch, so we had to put it in the second-hand window. At the time RRP was £6100, but market value was around £7500. Trouble is, as a Rolex AD we weren't allowed to sell it above list! Broke my heart to let it go for RRP but that's what happened, it didn't last the day.

 

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11 minutes ago, kevkojak said:

I have similar experiences with customers though. The Speedmaster tops the list but the most surprising was at the Rolex place I worked at - a chap waited 6 years for a Daytona and then brought it straight back the day after!    :yes:

 

Daytona seem really Marmite. My Rolex buddy sold his two after they sat in his safe for best part of a decade unworn , he just "didn't like them" !? He has another turning up in the next few months which no doubt he will sell in a couple of years but he ordered that one before he realised he "didn't like them". I tried one on early this year after being offered a VERY good price on it , and just did not get on with it at all , very underwhelmed on the wrist even though off the wrist it was beguiling to be honest , stunning.

I have two more mates that over the years have bought Daytonas only to sell them within months.

However , when they are the right watch for the right person they tend to be properly cherished. I know someone who has had one has his daily for two decades and another who wears one for events and only owns two watches , his Daytona and a Chronomat.....

Many people who do lust after them have not ( I suspect ) ever tried one one !?

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Sorry to be boring, but I have never understood the concept of a “grail”. There are so many fine pieces out there, many of which can become objects of desire.

I know I am lucky, in that I have been able to acquire a few, and they have very rarely disappointed  —  but I distrust the “all eggs in one basket” approach implied by the word ”grail”, which almost invites disappointment.

Far healthier, IMHO, to spread the budget over a few (nearly as) nice pieces . . . . .

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4 minutes ago, yokel said:

Sorry to be boring, but I have never understood the concept of a “grail”. There are so many fine pieces out there, many of which can become objects of desire.

I know I am lucky, in that I have been able to acquire a few, and they have very rarely disappointed  —  but I distrust the “all eggs in one basket” approach implied by the word ”grail”, which almost invites disappointment.

Far healthier, IMHO, to spread the budget over a few (nearly as) nice pieces . . . . .

This is what happened to me that day some years ago when I realised my Grail watch .... was not. I left the concept on the table there and then and never picked it up.

Ironically ( and this is YOUR fault ) , the only watch I hanker after now ,,, is a ( yet to be chosen and/or discovered ) quality hand winding piece of luxury from the land of Lederhosen and sublime Sausages....

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13 minutes ago, JonnyOldBoy said:

This is what happened to me that day some years ago when I realised my Grail watch .... was not. I left the concept on the table there and then and never picked it up.

Ironically ( and this is YOUR fault ) , the only watch I hanker after now ,,, is a ( yet to be chosen and/or discovered ) quality hand winding piece of luxury from the land of Lederhosen and sublime Sausages....

I do like a quality sausage.

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2 hours ago, Jet Jetski said:

I do like a quality sausage.

With the appropriate mustard adornment of course .... 

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19 hours ago, Roger the Dodger said:

No more grails for me...my watch buying days are now over...just sold 6 off this week, and a few more to go yet.

It happens, I used to have an interest in old motorcycles particularly east European & Russian  & had a large collection of books & documents on the subject including factory blue prints, reports & photographs etc sent to me surreptitiously  by a former employee of the Jawa Factory. I also used to collect old  film cameras & still have a fair number of them on display in my bedroom. I am cutting back on my watch purchases but don`t have any plans to start selling any just yet :biggrin:

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5 hours ago, Nigelp said:

if the real interest goes rog you will have to relinquish all powers that you have at the mo and join me and bond on the back benches taking the micky. 

I thought I already did that now.....:rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, yokel said:

Sorry to be boring, but I have never understood the concept of a “grail”. There are so many fine pieces out there, many of which can become objects of desire.

I know I am lucky, in that I have been able to acquire a few, and they have very rarely disappointed  —  but I distrust the “all eggs in one basket” approach implied by the word ”grail”, which almost invites disappointment.

Far healthier, IMHO, to spread the budget over a few (nearly as) nice pieces . . . . .

For me it boils down to, I've got one I'll keep, and the rest can come and go. Maybe two I'd keep, perhaps three.....:hmmm9uh:   :laughing2dw:

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2 hours ago, Roger the Dodger said:

I thought I already did that now.....:rolleyes:

i'll have to pay more attention, have you killed any pigeons yet?

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Admired this thing for months, finally got round to trying on on and again yearned after it for months... Finally took the plunge about a year after it being brought to my attention.

 

Still loving it after owning it since last November, it doesn't get too much wrist time, just on occasion....

 

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I'm thought, or think it was a grail watch but at only 40years of age, I'm tjiy there may be one more (or maybe two more) special purchases to come. No idea what yet tho, I'm loving a few bremonts, mayba VDB, a blancpain would be a dream and despite not liking Tag, a Monaco is really appealing too, as are some of the new mont blanc range... The more I look at watches, the more I find myself liking them and setting my standards higher!

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20 minutes ago, Jonesinamillion said:

 The more I look at watches, the more I find myself liking them and setting my standards higher!

I’m afraid that’s a never ending theme :whistle:

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I have a number of grail watches currently, navitimer, seiko springdrive, and pam 676, i will probally buy one wear it for a month or so then go back to the GMT pepsi and put the “grail “ in a box , thus i have a collection :biggrin:

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I have 2 grail watches, for different reasons, but I’ve worked and saved and sold things along the way to get them, and they both lived up to expeditions and surpassed them, I still love putting them on, and they’re still as amazing as the day I opened the box for the first time! (Such an amazing feeling!)

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