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The "death" of Norton ?

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On 05/02/2020 at 08:56, Speedy112 said:

As we are No longer permitted to report of what is going on in the Watch World with regards fraud with threads being removed or closed....

 

 

 

I read through the full fifty odd pages on this on the Rolex forum. 

They were banning anybody who was "victim shaming" but let's be honest anybody who bank transfers 30k or more of any countries dollars to a random bloke that just happened to look the part on the tinternet needs their head examined. 

It was a classic case of if it looks to good..........

A fool and his money and all that

It's a shame it got shut down here as there was a bit more to the story than a hooky Daytona 

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3 hours ago, BondandBigM said:

It's a shame it got shut down here as there was a bit more to the story than a hooky Daytona 

You can still buy a real one, for less money, better spares backup, and you can fix it yourself.

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This story i believe will end up in the courts I just feel sorry for those who have seemingly been tricked out of their Pensions..

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My 1972 Commando 750.. the bike was exported to California early in its life then a pal of mine brought back a shipping container in the late 80s full of cars bikes parts etc and this was amongst them.
Doesn’t get ridden much these days which is a shame but finding it hard to part with any of my Toys..


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13 minutes ago, Speedy112 said:

This story i believe will end up in the courts I just feel sorry for those who have seemingly been tricked out of their Pensions..

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My 1972 Commando 750.. the bike was exported to California early in its life then a pal of mine brought back a shipping container in the late 80s full of cars bikes parts etc and this was amongst them.
Doesn’t get ridden much these days which is a shame but finding it hard to part with any of my Toys..


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How many times did the Norton Commando win Motorcycle News bike of the year???

I still think they're a stunning looking bike :thumbsup:

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32 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

 

I still think they're a stunning looking bike :thumbsup:

My mate has a P11 (or Norton Ranger), it's quite pretty.

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this is quite nice too, N15CS.

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45 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

How many times did the Norton Commando win Motorcycle News bike of the year???

I still think they're a stunning looking bike :thumbsup:

Cant remember how many times it won awards but the late 60s into the early 70s it was a step up with its isolastic engine mounts and smoothness compared to what had been available before..then I guess the Jap bikes started to arrive I remember standing in a Kawasaki showroom wanting the new Z1 and trying to find a way to buying one unfortunately it never happened.

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24 minutes ago, WRENCH said:

My mate has a P11 (or Norton Ranger), it's quite pretty.

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this is quite nice too, N15CS.

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Your mate looks like Clint Eastwood :laugh:

The Manx Norton is another lovely bike.

16 minutes ago, Speedy112 said:

Cant remember how many times it won awards but the late 60s into the early 70s it was a step up with its isolastic engine mounts and smoothness compared to what had been available before..then I guess the Jap bikes started to arrive I remember standing in a Kawasaki showroom wanting the new Z1 and trying to find a way to buying one unfortunately it never happened.

In 74-77 bikes were my main interest apart from girls but I can't remember seeing that mythical beast, the Z1.:hmmm9uh:I see more of them nowadays.

I was up at Rivvy barn a couple of years ago talking to a bloke with a H1 500.The forks on his bike were the same dia. as my mountain bike's:laugh:no wonder they didn't handle.

I was at Rivvy barn when I saw a Triumph Hurricane for the first and only time but it was stunning:jawdrop1:

 

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1 hour ago, Turpinr said:

Your mate looks like Clint Eastwood :laugh:

The Manx Norton is another lovely bike.

In 74-77 bikes were my main interest apart from girls but I can't remember seeing that mythical beast, the Z1.:hmmm9uh:I see more of them nowadays.

I was up at Rivvy barn a couple of years ago talking to a bloke with a H1 500.The forks on his bike were the same dia. as my mountain bike's:laugh:no wonder they didn't handle.

I was at Rivvy barn when I saw a Triumph Hurricane for the first and only time but it was stunning:jawdrop1:

 

The Triumph  XR75 Hurricane has gone into orbit with regards Pricing..I remember standing in Elite Motors Tooting when a new batch of Hurricanes arrived must have been probably 10 of them looked so pretty all in a row... I spent a lot of my youth in that showroom if only we could turn back the clock id  probably do it all again..:thumbsup:

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23 minutes ago, Speedy112 said:

The Triumph  XR75 Hurricane has gone into orbit with regards Pricing..I remember standing in Elite Motors Tooting when a new batch of Hurricanes arrived must have been probably 10 of them looked so pretty all in a row... I spent a lot of my youth in that showroom if only we could turn back the clock id  probably do it all again..:thumbsup:

The bloke I was talking to said he equated his Hurricane's value to a years salary, but I can't remember how he came to that conclusion??

I can clearly remember the new Norton 850 and T160 Trident being in T&D's Motorcycles near Leyland Motors where I was doing an apprenticeship.

At 17 I was on £14/week and could barely afford to run my RD200 so the Norton was just a dream:(

 

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30 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

The bloke I was talking to said he equated his Hurricane's value to a years salary, but I can't remember how he came to that conclusion??

I can clearly remember the new Norton 850 and T160 Trident being in T&D's Motorcycles near Leyland Motors where I was doing an apprenticeship.

At 17 I was on £14/week and could barely afford to run my RD200 so the Norton was just a dream:(

 

I have seen Genuine XR75s selling for £30-40k... lots of them come in from America as these were seen as cruising style bikes.. but if you thought the watch world was dodgy then bikes being thrown together and sold as original is just as bad...

The number of supposedly genuine Bonneville's I have seen over the years is scary...but I guess that's the same for any collectable high value item.

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9 minutes ago, Speedy112 said:

I have seen Genuine XR75s selling for £30-40k... lots of them come in from America as these were seen as cruising style bikes.. but if you thought the watch world was dodgy then bikes being thrown together and sold as original is just as bad...

The number of supposedly genuine Bonneville's I have seen over the years is scary...but I guess that's the same for any collectable high value item.

What do you spot on these Bonnies ?

When I started back on bikes in '96 I originally wanted a Tiger 90 but the prices had gone daft so I had to settle for a 400/4 but got my money back when I sold it and that's only happened once or twice.

 

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9 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

What do you spot on these Bonnies ?

When I started back on bikes in '96 I originally wanted a Tiger 90 but the prices had gone daft so I had to settle for a 400/4 but got my money back when I sold it and that's only happened once or twice.

 

With the Original Bonnies I guess just about everything being sometimes wrong

When people are asking the premium prices and being advertised as Genuine Original unmolested bikes these in reality are like hens teeth being 50 plus years old.its not all about matching numbers

im defiantly No expert but have a couple of very good mates who have forgotten more than I will ever know about that I rely on 

The prices are all over the place for old British bikes as lots of people are now chasing the early Jap classics and paying serious money for bikes they couldn't afford as kids

but that's the same for 70's Fords like Escorts Cortina's etc etc now cars that you couldn't give away 15 years ago are now highly sought after

I used to do some Banger racing back in the 80/90s and would love a field of the cars we sent to the breakers yard after being raced..Jags Mk1 Mk2  some with Wire wheels..Daimlers XJ6s Austin Westminster's Rovers of every variety  the big Fords Consuls  Zodiacs etc etc etc the list is endless... 

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9 minutes ago, Speedy112 said:

With the Original Bonnies I guess just about everything being sometimes wrong

I've owned three, pre unit, 650 unit and I bought a new T140 in 1978. It was by far the worst. The pre unit T120 was the best. It had a slick shift box, and I converted it to single carb, apart from having to wire the rocker covers on, it never really gave me much problems other than fastidious regular servicing, considering I used it 5 days a week all year for a 70 mile commute,I don't think that was too bad. It's rediculous when you think about it these things didn't even have a proper oil filter. The T140 had a gauze thing like a top hat that you could have riddled sand through on the bottom of the frame tube, and if you used the recommended Castrol GTX, it would "sludge up". I don't miss any of them. A friend had a Hurricane he bought from new, he sadly passed away. I don't know what happened to it, I never asked, although I do suspect the "vultures" would have descended as they always do.

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1 hour ago, Speedy112 said:

With the Original Bonnies I guess just about everything being sometimes wrong

When people are asking the premium prices and being advertised as Genuine Original unmolested bikes these in reality are like hens teeth being 50 plus years old.its not all about matching numbers

im defiantly No expert but have a couple of very good mates who have forgotten more than I will ever know about that I rely on 

The prices are all over the place for old British bikes as lots of people are now chasing the early Jap classics and paying serious money for bikes they couldn't afford as kids

but that's the same for 70's Fords like Escorts Cortina's etc etc now cars that you couldn't give away 15 years ago are now highly sought after

I used to do some Banger racing back in the 80/90s and would love a field of the cars we sent to the breakers yard after being raced..Jags Mk1 Mk2  some with Wire wheels..Daimlers XJ6s Austin Westminster's Rovers of every variety  the big Fords Consuls  Zodiacs etc etc etc the list is endless... 

A mate of mine had a Mk2 in the 70's he paid buttons for and I remember when Etypes had fallen out of favour they were cheap too.

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if you are into the oldies:   forget the silly idea of "matching numbers".  vin

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3 hours ago, Speedy112 said:

Makes interesting reading..



https://www.superbike.co.uk/article/norton-was-it-a-fraud-from-the-start


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I personally know someone who was highly critical of the operation from day one, and got "silenced". The UK motorcycle press, as usual, got in a froth over these ropey things, as per " Hesketh ", and any other cobbled up thing that comes their way. Give Triumph their due though, they have, and continue to make good products. 

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52 minutes ago, WRENCH said:

I personally know someone who was highly critical of the operation from day one, and got "silenced". The UK motorcycle press, as usual, got in a froth over these ropey things, as per " Hesketh ", and any other cobbled up thing that comes their way. Give Triumph their due though, they have, and continue to make good products. 

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I can't understand why John Bloor has never been knighted ??

 

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4 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

I can't understand why John Bloor has never been knighted ??

 

Maybe he isn't a "donor".

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2 minutes ago, WRENCH said:

Maybe he isn't a "donor".

Like Joe Bamford ?

Branson and Dyson got rewarded easily enough didn't they ?

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2 minutes ago, Turpinr said:

Like Joe Bamford ?

Branson and Dyson got rewarded easily enough didn't they ?

He's got an OBE.

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2 minutes ago, WRENCH said:

He's got an OBE.

Not a knighthood though.

Personally a gong off the Monarchy doesn't impress me but if Dyson is suitable, John Bloor should be.

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1 minute ago, Turpinr said:

Not a knighthood though.

Personally a gong off the Monarchy doesn't impress me but if Dyson is suitable, John Bloor should be.

I thought this would have done it,

 "J.S.Bloor donated £400,000 to the Conservative & Unionist Party in the 2017 General Election."

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