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Firstly, none of the links I post here are mine or in anyway endorsed by me.

However I do spend a while browsing on EBAY and occasionally see an item that, whilst not for me, I think might be interesting.

Since being on here, I also keep seeing watches and thinking, "Xxxxxx on the forum might like that".

So, after checking it is OK to do so, I'm posting some links here of the oddities that I find, others are welcome to throw in things they see listed, either as curiosities or because they might be of interest to others.

I'll start with the rather strange GMT from Breil

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Breil-Mens-Vintage-Duel-Time-Watch-Both-Times-Working-/324576853606?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

 

 

A strange, but intriguing Certina

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Certina-DS-N1-Q-Turtle-Sapphire-Crystal-/303965572053?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

A simple but smart vintage Seiko Quartz

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPERB-VINTAGE-SEIKO-CHRONOS-QUARTZ-WATCH-1970s-80s-5H23-7020-JDM-KANJI-ENGLISH-/294111812217?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

A very red (if misspelt) Favre Leuba

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fabre-Leuba-Geneve-SeaKing-original-Vintage-mens-winding-watch-/393249903003?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

One for @Davey P? the TWS in blue

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tw-steel-watch-sapphire-tw1302-in-new-condition-date-original-leather-strap-/324576841815?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

An old auto with an interesting dial, I have toyed with making a bid for, but am not quite there with

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaquet-Cobur-vintage-Swiss-17-Jewels-manual-winding-watch-in-great-condition-/284263926336?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

 

A hand winding skin diver that again caught my attention, but I've decided against (I think) bidding on

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1974-Caravelle-by-Bulova-Divers-Watch-666ft-Devil-Diver-Cal-11DP-Super-Condition-/174735667535?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Another strange GMT that I thought interesting

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Men-s-SORNA-Automatic-Worldtimer-watch-1970-s-GMT-T21707-64-Good-Condition-/265127186634?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

A breil for those that like a very busy dial

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Breii-Milano-Watch-/254945391632?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Thats my starter for 10, interested to see what might have caught the collective eye of others on the forum.

 

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So I'll start tonight's episode with an interesting case of mistaken identity because I'm fairly sure that Hewlett Packard don't know anything about this watch. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage

A Diesel that won't be easily read at a glance https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DEISEL-WATCH-DZ-1563-Rare-5BAR-Black-no-scratches-on-face-good-condition-/124707585764?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Genuine 1940’s quartz watch  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274751357323

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I see a lot of "vintage" Favre Leuba watches on eBay and Etsy that are just frankenstein watches. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say that's one, but the safe bet would be that it is.

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A few more this evening

Panda dial ocean diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEAR-MINT-MENS-QUARTZ-OCEANX-SPEED-RACER-II-CHRONOGRAPH-MENS-WATCH-/174744521870?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Black and gold Tuna

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEAR-MINT-MENS-QUARTZ-OCEANX-SPEED-RACER-II-CHRONOGRAPH-MENS-WATCH-/174744521870?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Everybody's current favourite green Bulova diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bulova-oceanographer-snorkel-divers-watch-666ft-green-mint-/174737139528?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Venture Mori v2 with a lovely looking dial

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ventus-Mori-V2-Brass-300m-Divers-Watch-/373551611646?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

I've no idea what the F is going on with this Pulsar strap :laughing2dw:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mens-pulsar-chronograph-watch-/154419487877?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Smart looking Vostok with angles on the case

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mens-watches-/393251066639?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

TW Steel chronograph (a bit Daytona about it)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TW-Steel-Mens-Chronograph-Watch-/174737259796?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Monday evening Railway watch on a bracelet 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gents-Mondaine-Swiss-Railway-Watch-Quartz-Day-Date-discontinued-40mm-/174737279395?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Very odd looking Delat watch

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Deltat-NBS-watch-37-300-/274764387468?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Nice Lorier diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lorier-Neptune-V3-Automatic-Totally-Mint-Desirable-2020-Blue-Gilt-Model-/124686916913?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Bronze Ventus pilot

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ventus-Caspian-Brass-Pilot-Watch-/224430349335?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Newmark chrono

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newmark-6bb-Watch-/254947055297?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Panda Seagull

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sugess-Seagull-ST1901-Chronograph-Sapphire-swan-neck-Display-Back-38mm-/384103139234?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

48mm Glycine Sub

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glycine-Combat-Sub-48mm-Watch-Extra-Black-Rubber-Strap-/194047527415?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Smart Hamilton auto

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hamilton-h395150-automatic-wristwatch-/224429902470?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Makarios (no I've not heard of them either) diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Makara-Sea-Serpent-Automatic-150m-/154418697824?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Smart Pressage (good price?)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-Presage-SRPB43J1-Wrist-Watch-for-Men-/303965726887?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Tidy looking Certina chronograph

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Certina-DS-Podium-Model-536-7029-42-69-Black-Gents-Swiss-Quartz-Watch-/303965791955?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Nice blue-black Seiko diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-Ceramic-Blue-Wave-Vampire-Fangs-Automatic-Divers-Date-Watch-Custom-7002-/402796418875?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Shiny Sekford (looks like a Max bill)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sekford-Type-1A-Watch-Swiss-Made-Excellent-Condition-With-Box-Papers-/224430518242?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Victorinox chrono diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REDUCED-Victorinox-Swiss-Army-Chrono-Classic-Watch-Ref-241657-Black-Strap-used-/265128987395?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Rugged Doxa diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Doxa-Watch-/324583027972?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

And a more traditional Doxa diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Duxot-Princepio-DX-2011-33-200m-Diver-Watch-/224436103536?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Seiko SARB065

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-SARB065-box-and-papers-Japanese-Domestic-Market-very-rare-/393252101958?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Dan Henry Panda

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dan-Henry-1962-Panda-Limited-Edition-Mecha-Quartz-Racing-Chronograph-Watch-/313499106666?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Vulcan Cricket

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vulcain-cricket-watch-/254948148632?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Seiko the great blue

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-watch-Rare-The-Great-Blue-Kinetic-with-Auto-Relay-/114773076872?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Frederique Constant square moonphase chrono

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Frederique-Constant-Persuasion-Sapphire-Crystal-Mens-Watch-/164825702639?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Nice Steinhart Ocean 1 red

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steinhart-ocean-1-Vintage-Red-/114773152005?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Black and Orange Tissot Diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tissot-1853-mens-watch-Full-set-Condition-A-/254948445453?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Tempore Lux Black diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tempore-Lux-Vintage-One-Diver-Microbrand-Automatic-Divers-Watch-/233974753220?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

 

Enjoy or ignore :thumbs_up:

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I’ve happened upon a few Japanese based sellers today that I found interesting because of the choice in smaller case sizes such as a 40mm Panerai which I never knew existed.

Are there any special precautions to consider when buying from Japan? Is it hotbed of fakes for example?

No rush for replies, I really can’t buy anything for a while!

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There's more of interest to me in the second list, in a window shopping kind of way. The Sekford, for example, does have a Max Bill look, which I like, and it turns out to be an interesting brand, gets a good review here. I wonder if the seller will get any bids at that starting price, though. Watching. :watch:

Duxot ( not Doxa, though they do get confused) seems to be one of those brands that disappears and reappears mysteriously. There are several threads on WUS and here about watches from the 60s-70s, but not much information and nothing on Mikrolisk. However, I found a registration in 1965 by Joseph Ghelber, Dizengoff Strasse 247, Tel-Aviv with a footnote that translates 'According to the depositor, the Hebrew script means: "DUXOT"'. Then in 2005 a company in Vienna started a registration that was abandoned, and now it's registered to Solar Time Ltd of Hong Kong. It also appears on the website of Dartmouth Brands, who also market AVI-8.

Here's a "Duxot of Switzerland" watch on Chrono24. https://www.chrono24.com/all/duxot-a-vintage-very-nice-swiss-watch-from-the-1960s--id12964310.htm

You're right, the Pulsar bracelet is just plain weird. And I like the case on that Mondaine more than the usual railway station souvenir models :whistle:, but I still wouldn't buy it.

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Bricey is right. 

There's a lot of interesting and strange watches on ebay.

I got this..

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Its a Camy Starjet .. 

Yeah I know. Its just a Camy.. 

But its a "black" Camy starjet.. I've only ever seen 3 of them for sale.. ever. I have not got a clue how rare it is TBH and I don't really care. 

But I would never have got it if it wasn't for searching on the bay.

Perhaps someone in here should start up a forum section of "wierd or rare things that I don't want but I have seen that other members might want"

Emm..  whoever starts that just might want to give it a better title :tongue:

It might become a place where our collective knowledge might help people direct their "smaller" savings into finding peices of better interest or guidance. 

It could be put it into a "members only" section to help build the community. A sort of "Horological guidance and help" to find those little gems for new collectors.

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9 hours ago, Bow said:

I’ve happened upon a few Japanese based sellers today that I found interesting because of the choice in smaller case sizes such as a 40mm Panerai which I never knew existed.

Are there any special precautions to consider when buying from Japan? Is it hotbed of fakes for example?

No rush for replies, I really can’t buy anything for a while!

I don't know is the truth, but Panerai is such a strange one, because I genuinely could not set apart the adverts for a Panerai and a "homage" (Marine Militaire) other than by the price in an add.

I understand the basic difference between homage and replica/fake when it comes to, for example Rotary making a watch that looks like a Rolex Day Date that has their Rotary logo compared to someone selling something cheap and shiny covered in Rolex logo's out of the back of a van or Del Boy's syit case, but the Panerai 'homage watches that you see are so vaguely branded that they really seem to veer into "copy to confuse" rather than "imitation as flattery".

 

7 hours ago, spinynorman said:

There's more of interest to me in the second list, in a window shopping kind of way. The Sekford, for example, does have a Max Bill look, which I like, and it turns out to be an interesting brand, gets a good review here. I wonder if the seller will get any bids at that starting price, though. Watching. :watch:

Duxot ( not Doxa, though they do get confused) seems to be one of those brands that disappears and reappears mysteriously. There are several threads on WUS and here about watches from the 60s-70s, but not much information and nothing on Mikrolisk. However, I found a registration in 1965 by Joseph Ghelber, Dizengoff Strasse 247, Tel-Aviv with a footnote that translates 'According to the depositor, the Hebrew script means: "DUXOT"'. Then in 2005 a company in Vienna started a registration that was abandoned, and now it's registered to Solar Time Ltd of Hong Kong. It also appears on the website of Dartmouth Brands, who also market AVI-8.

Here's a "Duxot of Switzerland" watch on Chrono24. https://www.chrono24.com/all/duxot-a-vintage-very-nice-swiss-watch-from-the-1960s--id12964310.htm

You're right, the Pulsar bracelet is just plain weird. And I like the case on that Mondaine more than the usual railway station souvenir models :whistle:, but I still wouldn't buy it.

The inspiration for the thread was three fold, firstly those watches you see whilst browsing that you ponder for a while and then decide wouldn't fit your collection (or you can't add for any reason at that time) and so mentioning them to see if others might be interested if they are currently looking to add to theirs.

The second was because I kept seeing watches that whilst not of interest to me personally, seemed to have something that registered with me from other people's posts, be that similar to a watch they posted about or have shown in the WRUW threads, so again might interest.

The third was those :sign_wtf: moments (like the bracelet on that Pulsar) that just need to be shared so that I am not the only one to have suffered viewing it!

Not really hoping or intending to encourage anyone into spending, but delighted that it has stimulated some replies and led to me learning a little about two of the brands from those replies, and would genuinelyove it if others, when they stole across a curious looking watch for sale online (be that EBay or elsewhere) might throw it into this thread for others to see.

:thumbs_up:

10 minutes ago, Bricey said:

I don't know is the truth, but Panerai is such a strange one, because I genuinely could not set apart the adverts for a Panerai and a "homage" (Marine Militaire) other than by the price in an add.

I understand the basic difference between homage and replica/fake when it comes to, for example Rotary making a watch that looks like a Rolex Day Date that has their Rotary logo compared to someone selling something cheap and shiny covered in Rolex logo's out of the back of a van or Del Boy's suitcase, but the Panerai 'homage watches that you see are so vaguely branded that they really seem to veer into "copy to confuse" rather than "imitation as flattery".

 

The inspiration for the thread was three fold, firstly those watches you see whilst browsing that you ponder for a while and then decide wouldn't fit your collection (or you can't add for any reason at that time) and so mentioning them to see if others might be interested if they are currently looking to add to theirs.

The second was because I kept seeing watches that whilst not of interest to me personally, seemed to have something that registered with me from other people's posts, be that similar to a watch they posted about or have shown in the WRUW threads, so again might interest.

The third was those :sign_wtf: moments (like the bracelet on that Pulsar) that just need to be shared so that I am not the only one to have suffered viewing it!

Not really hoping or intending to encourage anyone into spending, but delighted that it has stimulated some replies and led to me learning a little about two of the brands from those replies, and would genuinelyove it if others, when they stumble across a curious looking watch for sale online (be that EBay or elsewhere) might throw it into this thread for others to see.

:thumbs_up:

 

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2 hours ago, spinynorman said:

Talking of Mondaine, here's something only a mother could love. Price + shipping is too much for a curiosity though.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Mondaine-Two-TimerSwiss-Quartz-Mens-Watch-Analog-Digital-Rare-/164432589997?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

There really are some weird and wonderful watches knocking about, that is definitely weird and in its own way a little wonderful. 

This oddity keeps appearing on my ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Watch-q-q-by-Citizen-SALTARELLO-Watch-Japan-Total-mean-Unisex-/392942545064?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

And I'd love to know (although maybe not bump into) anyone who is man enough to wear this 'beauty'.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SKMEI-Men-Digital-Quartz-Watch-Luxury-Gold-Watches-Male-LED-Alarm-Wristwatches-/264017676236?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

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I've been watching the "Champion" (yes, spark plugs) after seeing another one on a US car model maker's site. I haven't found any trace of Jonmark, but Constructa-Uhren was the pin pallet subsidiary of Mondaine. So the movement will be Baumgartner or Ronda most likely. I'd pay 20 quid for the novelty value.

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1 minute ago, spinynorman said:

I've been watching the "Champion" (yes, spark plugs) after seeing another one on a US car model maker's site. I haven't found any trace of Jonmark, but Constructa-Uhren was the pin pallet subsidiary of Mondaine. So the movement will be Baumgartner or Ronda most likely. I'd pay 20 quid for the novelty value.

I quite like this old Rotary diver, interested in others opinions 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Rally-Diver-Watch-Rotary-Super-75-Men-Watch-1970-1979-/124693333628?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

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Like plenty on here I browse the bay regularly enough, it's interesting to see what you can find. I'm waiting on my first digital watch to arrive that's not a Casio, when it's landed I'll share it with you all. 

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13 hours ago, Bricey said:

I don't really have any prior knowledge to contribute, but on the plus side it's an ETA automatic. On the minus, for me it's a bit too much of a lump and probably over-priced. Evidence for that - the seller has been trying to flog it since January (when the starting price was $499) and there's virtually identical watch on Catawiki which sold for €130 (£113) in December 2020. In fact it is probably the same watch.

https://www.catawiki.com/l/43664193-rotary-super-75-diver-men-1970-1979

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124544711026

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4 minutes ago, spinynorman said:

I don't really have any prior knowledge to contribute, but on the plus side it's an ETA automatic. On the minus, for me it's a bit too much of a lump and probably over-priced. Evidence for that - the seller has been trying to flog it since January (when the starting price was $499) and there's virtually identical watch on Catawiki which sold for €130 (£113) in December 2020. In fact it is probably the same watch.

https://www.catawiki.com/l/43664193-rotary-super-75-diver-men-1970-1979

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124544711026

How did you find that it had previously been listed? That would be so useful to know!

 

at £130 I'm pretty sure I'd have taken a punt!

 

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14 minutes ago, Bricey said:

How did you find that it had previously been listed? That would be so useful to know!

The "Completed Listings" search on Ebay for "Rotary Super 75" brought up two previous attempts. Then a Google image search showed the Catawiki page and, some way down, an earlier Ebay listing that led back to the one in January.

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12 hours ago, Bricey said:

A very 70's Bucherer quartz

I would have been interested in that, but it looks to me like damage on the crown and the guard.

12 hours ago, Bricey said:

Just a nice old classic looking watch

I had that saved to look up who Bruford are, and as expected they're a jeweller in Eastbourne, Rolex AD etc. Not a very exciting watch though, unless it's hiding something amazing inside.

12 hours ago, Bricey said:

Cool vintage Excalibur

Tissot movement in that one.

12 hours ago, Bricey said:

Never heard of Pierre Balmain, and too much for me to punt, but cool lookin retro diver

Oh dear, the Fashion Watch Police would be after you for that one. :tongue:

https://www.balmain.com/gb/balmain/pierre-balmain

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Tonight's update:

Nice Mathey Tissot

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mathey-Tissot-Mens-Watch-/373551373960?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

A violin watch (yes you rad that correctly)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wristwatch-Unisex-Original-ZX-2001-Violin-shape-bow-case-/284263954551?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

How would we describe the yellow of the dial? Mustard or baby poop?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Momo-Eoeo-Watch-MD-014-Yellow-/184784861230?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Like the Cartier tank, but not the price? Raymond's got you

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raymond-Weil-Men-s-Square-Ivory-Watch-Ref5396-STC00800-/224435105478?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Pulsar is no one's favourite brand and brown is no one's favourite colour, so a brown Pulsar might not be the most popular choice here tonight

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pulsar-chronograph-100m-/353467144240?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

A very unique looking g-shock

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-G-shock-G-011-/284270328668?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Classy gold 70's Roamer

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Roamer-Searock-circa-1970s-Swiss-Made-Gold-Plated-17J-Mech-Mod-521-/233973974543?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Strengths watch from Germany

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sternglas-Hamburg-Limited-Edition-23-months-warranty-/184785129064?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Orange bezel casio diver

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Casio-Duro-MDV-106-Watch-/144016971735?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Bargain (but expect it will bid up late) Longines Flagship

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Longines-Flagship-Automatic-wrist-watch-/324585516613?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Granted, its a lot for a quartz from Hamilton, bit that dial is stunning imo

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hamilton-Mens-Jazzmaster-Quartz-Blue-H324510-Watch-Excellent-Conditon-/184790164130?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Nice Borealis, tiny fault needs cleaning up

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Borealis-Estoril-300-Divers-Automatic-Watch-Black-Dial-Arabic-Numbers-A2-No-Date-/265121869326?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

That's my lot for tonight folks.

X

 

 

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On 27/04/2021 at 23:25, Bricey said:

Cool vintage Excalibur

Err, I bought that one. Thanks for pointing it out. Hope I wasn't bidding against anyone here. :whistle:

10 hours ago, Bricey said:

Pulsar is no one's favourite brand and brown is no one's favourite colour, so a brown Pulsar might not be the most popular choice here tonight

Cunningly photgraphed so the colour isn't obvious. I think an estate agent would call the dial "bronze".

11 hours ago, Bricey said:

Bargain (but expect it will bid up late) Longines Flagship

Low res blurry photos ringing alarm bells there. Might be ok though.

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28 minutes ago, spinynorman said:

Err, I bought that one. Thanks for pointing it out. Hope I wasn't bidding against anyone here. :whistle:

 

Awesome, looking forward to some pictures when it arrives with you :thumbs_up:

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The violin watch started a train of thought, guitar watches ...

Something like a Stratocaster from Wrist Rock USA

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133416286155

Serious heavy metal from Staur

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184564680040

Dasonic charm watch

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203013253073

One for the rock chicks from Marc Jacobs

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114735214040

Rather cool Gibson branded Firebird (don't know why the title says Explorer)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124442267025

Fender "heavy metal cross" watch

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124697068022

One for the punks

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324293194013

And the sultan of swing, a Casio M-321 Melody Guitar Watch

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114772705448

Rock on! :cool:

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