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Quartz Alignment?

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Didn't know where to post this, and am new here, so here goes.

I have a new from silvermans CWC RN diver (w/ day/date) that is great. However the seconds hand does not line up w/ the second mark consistantly. holds time fine, i guess I just notice details.

is there a remedy for this? can it be adjusted?

thanks in advance

cheers

Derek

Birmingham, AL USA

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If it really bothers you a lot, I believe any decent watch repairman could do the job of alligning your second hand to the markers. But if it's brand new I wouldn't want to have it popped open just for that. Maybe when the time comes to change the battery. I have the same issue with my Orsa Hammy, but decided that subjecting it to an operation which didn't actually serve any practical time-keeping purpose wasn't worth the risk.

Some of the forum members here though are rather obsessive about the second hands of their quartz watches lining up exactly with the dial markers (not that there's anything wrong with that). They'd probably be in a better position to offer advice.

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it's a pet hate of mine but all quartz suffer from this even ones costing 20 times what you paid for the cwc.

A lot of it is inherenent due to the practicalities of design as there has to be a tiny bit of free play in the gearing and as such it won't tick exactly 1/60th all the time so will drift off and back on the markers depending where it is on the dial.

If it's really noticeable you might be able to get a watchmaker to try and move the hand on the pinnion slightly but it might not cure it. I doubt Silverman's will exchange as it's technically not faulty, I bet 90% of their stock are the same.

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Only very expensive quartz and the early ones seem to have this fault erradicated... Its a pte hate of mine too... Ive found a few that line up well, but the Omega Marine Chronometer is the one thats the best at it :)

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This has been discussed before.

I think there is no excuse for this what-so-ever. It is a sloppy lack of attention to detail.

I do have 2 quartz with a very slight off the marker, and it pisses me off big time. I would NEVER buy another quartz that wasn't bang on.

It can easily be put right by taking the second hand off and putting it back on with care. A decent watch repairer should easily and cheaply do it, but the main problem is that too many people out there just don't give a **** and that includes the watch business.

I had a row with a peroxide blonde beach Barbi doll lookalike over it in a well known jewellers, and I just can't bear to tell you what utter drivelling ***** she came out with.

It is unacceptable in ANY make of analogue quartz IMO.

Unfortunately, it is NOT the case that all higher end quartz have got rid of this fault!

Don't accept it.........reject it...........or kick up over it!!!

Edited by Griff

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Griff, the modern ones also suffer from bounce and backlash it seems, so often they dont line up, even if you set the hands correctly at 12 etc. Also the markers can be printed badly and hence be out. Agreed tho that modern manufacturers (even expensive ones) often dont bother to line up hands correctly.

The best ones ive seen are the early ones from the 70s when things like this were one of the extra cool things about the new fangled quartz watches....

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Indeed, but only a WIS would notice and mention it, and very few WIS make up the watch buying population these days. :(

Id love the magic of quartz to come back... I love the 70's ones from the time when quartz was special, not the bargain basement it seems to seen as today. sigh....

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I had an Omega Aqua Terra for a couple of years, and that had the same problem; the second hand didn't align properly and as Griff said "it pissed me off", for a £900 watch its disgraceful that they just don't give a shi*

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H'mmmmmmmmmmm

A reporter asked the late great Brian Clough what he thought of the most recent football managers coming up in the ranks?

He replied...................well lad, 95 % of footballers are as thick as 2 short planks; and 95 % of football managers are ex football players!!! :lol:

Like Jon says, they dont give a **** because 99.99999% of its customers dnt care either.....

I think a lot more care about it than that!

Edited by Griff

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I don't often buy quartz watches but, when I do, I will not buy one whose seconds hand doesn't line up with the markers.

Regardless of how many potential purchasers don't care it is inexcusable that something so simple can't be done right. In fact, this is part of the reason that I concentrate on mechanical movements nowadays.

The sound of nails being hit into coffins was clearly heard when I had an idle moment waiting for a bus outside Goldsmiths and saw an Omega for over £1000 and the seconds weren't lining up.

Sure, there may be an argument that on a watch costing £15 it wouldn't be reasonable to expect the highest standards but when you're talking a grand then I believe that the buying public has the right to expect decent quality control regardless of whether they care about it, after all if there's evidence of sloppiness on the outside then goodness knows what it's like inside.

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Like Jon says, they dont give a shit because 99.99999% of its customers dnt care either.....

I think a lot more care about it than that!

I bet they dont, they sell millions of them.....If more cared they would do somethig about it, they dont, so they dont!

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Like Jon says, they dont give a **** because 99.99999% of its customers dnt care either.....

I think a lot more care about it than that!

I bet they dont, they sell millions of them.....If more cared they would do somethig about it, they dont, so they dont!

I bet they do.

There will be many that wont say anything but simply look at a watch and not buy it.

Whoever is turning out quartz Omegas with this non alignment should have electrodes attached to their gonads for a shocking experience.

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I bet they dont ( this could run a while) :D

I still say the average 'Joe' in the street wouldnt dream of checking if his second hand hit the marks, ask a non watchie mate if he knows if his second hand hits the markers and he/she will look at you and laugh and have his thoughts confirmed at how wiered us lot are.. ;)

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Irrespective of how many people care about second hand alignment or the accuracy of quartz movements we can be pretty sure that some expensive watches use very cheap movements that don't do an expensive watch justice, or the people that buy them.

People see quartz watches as being perfect because that's what they've been told by watchmakers, the fact is that quartz movements can be very average and you will never know how good the one is that the manufacturer has fitted to the watch you paid a grand for.

A good quartz watch can have perfect second hand alignment and be accurate to within +/- 5 seconds a year but it's very easy for a manufacturer to put a 10 quid movement into a £1000 watch, who is going to know other than the person who changes the battery?

It probably earns the robbing £30 extra profit on a thousand pound watch. ;)

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I knew this thread would arouse some spirited comment. The onlly two quartz watches I own whose second hands consistently line up with the dial markers are a Seiko titanium perpetual calendar diver (I would expect nothing less, it is a tool watch after all and cost quite a bit for a Seiko), and, surprise! an old Fossil Blue 100m. I'm wearing the Orsa I mentioned earlier, and reading this thread has amplified my irritation at the fact that half the time the second hand does not hit the dial marker! Grrr!! Well, watcha expect for less than 50 dollars? That's what I get for keeping company with a bunch of WISs!

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Irrespective of how many people care about second hand alignment or the accuracy of quartz movements we can be pretty sure that some expensive watches use very cheap movements that don't do an expensive watch justice, or the people that buy them.

People see quartz watches as being perfect because that's what they've been told by watchmakers, the fact is that quartz movements can be very average and you will never know how good the one is that the manufacturer has fitted to the watch you paid a grand for.

A good quartz watch can have perfect second hand alignment and be accurate to within +/- 5 seconds a year but it's very easy for a manufacturer to put a 10 quid movement into a £1000 watch, who is going to know other than the person who changes the battery?

It probably earns the robbing £30 extra profit on a thousand pound watch. ;)

Omega dont put cheap quartz in thier quartz watches Stan.

I'm sure Jason is wrong on how many care about misalignment, but I wont continue this little bit of the argument except that the reason people buy and want quartz is that they know they are accurate and people want and expect dead on accuracy, and that at least is a part of the reason why many today dont want or understand mechanical. I know of many non WIS people who look at their watches on the hourly bips of the radio and they comment if the second hand is BANG on twelve or not.

Medical staff take pulses by watches and if the 2nd hand is half way between batons they will get flustered as to when to start and finish the count. They often time just between 10 seconds, and not 60!!!!!!

To say that 99.9999%(how many 9's was it!! :rolleyes: ) don't care is silly. Has anybody actually done a reliable poll!?

Shall we ask MORI to take on the task!!?? :rolleyes:

I'll repeat, for the very last time, there is NO excuse for the misalignment of second hands on the markers on an analogue quartz watch, and people expect bang on precision and accuracy as for their reason in buying quartz in the first place. ;)

Someone start a poll here............... but ask the 2 questions in an unbiased way!!!!

Edited by Griff

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and people expect bang on precision and accuracy as for their reason in buying quartz in the first place. wink.gif

Your wrong, your thinking like a wis...

The majority of people just buy watches to tell the time.............Thats why as Stan says they can put cheap movements in expensive watches.....( You say they are not cheap, I bet they are, they might be good, but I bet they are cheap....) Again we dont know for sure so its a moot point ;)

OK I retract my multiple .9999s :tongue2: but the point is you dont know either so its as accurate a figure as you have in mind ;)

You cant do a poll ike this on a watch forum! It would be a bit biased dont you think?

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The majority of people just buy watches to tell the time.............

Have to agree with Jason here, although to be fair there are valid points in Griffs view as well.

Its amazing, (to me as a WIS), how many people have no idea even what *brand* of watch they wear or have any notion or interest in anything other than being able to look at their wrist and know what time it is. This has happend to me twice recently, where I have noticed colleagues wearing new watches and I've remarked on as much and asked how they are liking it. Both enquiries were met with a shrug and a thow away comment along the line of "I needed a watch and so went into Argos and thought it looked OK". I think theres a huge percentage of folk who just buy something they like the look of with no regard to anything as detailed as manufacturer, history, engineering, build quality, etc.. etc..

I suppose thats where we WIS fundamentally differ, as for me at least, theres an element of "it tells the time as well" to the enjoyment I get from the watches I own.

Rich.

Edited by r1ch

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Griff... modern quartz are generally also made with backlash and bounce so they line up badly, this isnt something easily fixed as the movements come like that. It would mean the suppliers need to improve the quality etc.

I did wonder what percentage of watch purchsers are WIS... and wondered about the number of watch buyers...well... everyone in the world seems to have at least bought one watch... so how many people is that... now add up the forumers... conservatively just add up all the registered users of all the forums and express that as a percentage of the worlds population etc. Jase is probably not far off....

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I've stated my view, and I still think it is right.

Omega quartz movements are not cheap, and far better than those in Tags IMO

Brietling quartz wont be cheap either

I would accept that Gucci on the other hand, are very much in the brackets of your description

Sorry.............you're not changing my mind one jot on this!!

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Addressing the question of what people expect from a watch: Around thirty years ago accurate and cheap quartz watches became common. In the late 70's when I was in secondary school, all of the kids were showing up with new digital watches.More and more features and cheaper and cheaper. There are a great number of people, in the western world, who have known nothing but accurate and inexpensive watches their entire life. They have no real knowledge of what cheap mechanical watches were like back when many people had to wear them. Decades of having watches that work without any real user effort has changed things. Most people I know don't care if their watch is off by two or three minutes either way, it's consistant and that is good enough.

Later,

William

Edited by William_Wilson

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I've stated my view, and I still think it is right.

Omega quartz movements are not cheap, and far better than those in Tags IMO

Brietling quartz wont be cheap either

I would accept that Gucci on the other hand, are very much in the brackets of your description

Sorry.............you're not changing my mind one jot on this!!

Have to agree with griff on this, I work for a large retailer in a "warehousey" environment

and we all start and stop our shift by clocking in/out.

the "chronos clock" is syncronized to the GMT/BST time signal. We can start our shift as late as

59 mins & 59 secs on the hour but once that clock hits 00 we are late and docked 15 mins.

there are two types of employee at my work, people who dont have/can't afford a half decent watch

and they are always early, clocking on between 15-10 minutes before their shift,

Or people with seiko's, Tags, Tissots Etc, these people casually roll up to start work

no more than 5 mins before their shift starts and take a good look at their watches

sometimes leaving it to the last second before clocking on.

This pattern is reversed at shift end, those with decent watches are already to be found at the clocking machine at 20:59:45

the moment 21:00:00 turns on their watches they look at the clocking machine, grin gleefully

and punch out.

Whilst the others without reliable timepieces form an orderly que.

and it is the same people who do it every day.... ;)

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Yes; and no one can tell me medical staff don't want a highly accurate watch including being smack on the markers for pulse checking etc.

Many scientists will expect the same

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