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Anyone heard yet,

They are now going to give traffic wardens a bonus for the number of tickets issued......FFS.......!!

It's bad enough already!.

I was working in the west end last week in Pall Mall - parked in a 2 hour pay and display square. I was walking to my van, which still had about 2 minutes left on the ticket and there was already a warden standing next to it waiting.... nono.gif

Things just go from bad to worse here and the sooner this Labour bunch of arsewipes are voted out, the better........ taz.gif

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At least if the Tory's get in we will have the choice to pay higher taxes and get the same services. blink.gif

If we don't they will run the NHS et. al. down and promote private medicine etc. (I think I remember this tactic from Mrs. Thatcher?). ph34r.gif

Wow, the minimum wage could become even less and drive more people into poverty. cool.gif

The principle is the same as subsistance farming. Though, low paid worker's don't have to work 60 hours a week now thanks to the EU. This further reduces the income of subsistance worker's and increases the poverty trap.

A subjugated workforce will have so much less sick leave. laugh.giflaugh.gif

I must complain to Queen Victoria about this situation. punk.gif

On topic:-

Most traffic warden's are employed by local councils that are notoriously fickle to party politics in any case.

I doubt the current government is to blame for piecework traffic wardens, though some would like to believe it.

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I agree about the car parking, but I also remember the Poll Tax!!!!

I also remember Maggie saying there is no such thing as Society, and the removal of free school milk for the kids.

I may also be a rare clay pigeon and target shooter with a social conscience ohmy.gifcool.gif

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Please don't talk about taxes to me.

This Labour lot of rubbish are taxing everything they can, they even propose to tax people on the profit thay make when they sell their home.

Probably southerners like Garry and myself see it a bit differently as it is a fact that councils in the North which supply most of the Labour voters are subsidised more by central government to make their council tax cheaper.

Mine went up 27% last year since we got a labour council.

You may feel differently if you get congestion charging zones up North as well.

The whole thing has been a complete fiasco, Ken says that central London is less congested. It is, although I wonder if the retail shops like it?

But if you drive around the outskirts of the zone it is doubly congested by people avoiding the payment. Ridiculous.

He hasn't stopped congestion just moved it around a bit.

The whole bunch are a gang of duplicitous liars.

Weapons of mass destruction anyone? Sexed up Dossiers?

Servicemen killed in Iraq for no reason?

Government scientist comitting suicide?

Getting houses on the cheap by using convicted Aussie fraudster?

Thank God they washed away "years of Tory sleaze" as they put it.

They make the tories look like choir boys. laugh.gif

And as for the NHS its a black hole. More people work fo the NHS than any other employer. Its a sacred cow of the Labour party and its rubbish.

We pay in huge amounts and what do we get? Months and years to wait for treatment.

We would be all better off with private health insurance like in USA or Australia.

My dog has private health insurance and gets far better treatment in the vets than I would in a NHS hospital.

When she was young she had a rare blood disease, she was sent to a specialist clinic in Bedfordshire immediately, stayed there a week had all sorts of tests and was completly cured by the time I picked her up a week later.

Can you imagine that happening to a human under the NHS??

BTW kids don't need free milk today any more than they need the old spoonful of cod liver oil or malt they used to get before the war when they needed building up.

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And as for the NHS its a black hole. More people work fo the NHS than any other employer. Its a sacred cow of the Labour party and its rubbish.

We pay in huge amounts and what do we get? Months and years to wait for treatment.

We would be all better off with private health insurance like in USA or Australia.

My dog has private health insurance and gets far better treatment in the vets than I would in a NHS hospital.

When she was young she had a rare blood disease, she was sent to a specialist clinic in Bedfordshire immediately, stayed there a week had all sorts of tests and was completly cured by the time I picked her up a week later.

Can you imagine that happening to a human under the NHS??

BTW kids don't need free milk today any more than they need the old spoonful of cod liver oil or malt they used to get before the war when they needed building up.

Is that so! Well try another country for health care..........and try India where I was last year! You don't know you've been born!! Please don't patronise me with this whinging.

My ex partner suffered a massive brain haemorrhage on the 15th Dec last year. She went into North Manchester General Hospital and had a brain scan. She was on the verge of dying within a few hours. The scan was sent to Hope hospital. They asked for her to be sent immediately to Hope for a brain operation after viewing the scan. A doctor there decided to try and save her life. He did.............she survived the operation. She is now in Homewood Stroke Rehabilitation Unit back at North Manchester General Hospital, making an almost unbelievable recovery due to the marvellous stroke rehabilitation team, so before you talk to me about your whinging and comments of the NHS being a "black hole", remember this post.

The NHS is a wonderful thing, and organisation, and I have seen it save several lives when all has first appeared hopeless. Thank God we have it; and to read the kind of post you have just written sickens me to the pit of my stomach, and has left me with a very bad taste in my mouth!!!

Bill Clinton wanted to set up a health service in the USA more like ours, because he recognised what a superb thing it is, and how good a similar system would be for the American people. He was a good President, and an intelligent man!

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Griff,

Sorry to hear about your ex, but if you tell a Frenchman, German, Spaniard etc, that you would have to wait more than a few days for ANY treatment, they would think that you were kidding!

As far as I know THEY DON'T HAVE WAITING LISTS!!!!

Although our NHS staff are brilliant they system is seriously flawed, and no...I don't know how to fix it....but there again I'm not getting paid £100,000+ to sort it out, as the ******s in charge are sad.gif

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Griff

I'm glad your ex partner got sorted out quickly, quite right too.

The doctors and nurses do a wonderful job.

But I have to reiterate what Chris said go to France, Germany or Spain and you will get your operation immediately.

They have loads of empty beds!

The government I believe after a fight have even sent UK patients to the EC for treatment!

The whole creaking edifice of the NHS is a dinosaur, there are more managers than nurses!

Of course its impossible to tear it down and start again but that is whats needed.

I don't really think you can compare India to the UK. A third world country starved of resources compared to the huge amount we all pay in to the NHS here.

We should have the best health care in the world.

BTW did you see that queue to sign on for a dentist in Scarborough the other day?

They had to bring in someone from Holland.

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I agree with Griff entirely. Had it not been for the NHS and it's supporter's I would be dead.

This resource may not be effectively managed but it is better than some of the alternatives we see in other nations.

I would hate to think that the poor of this nation, unable to afford private health insurance, would have to forgo medical treatment as such people in other nations do.

There is but one person that would make the Tory's look like choir boys, in my humble opinion.

That person is now in the hands of allied forces after what many, very insultingly, call an unjustified war. British forces fought and died in the Falklands only to be faced with patronizing diatribe from pseudo liberal tripe about the General Belgrano incident.

What confidence can our armed forces have in a nation that can't make it's mind up to let them do the job they were impeccably trained for?

Do they have to go to conflict knowing that they may be told that the conflict was illegal upon their return? That is the British way to reinforce the morale of its fighting forces these days?

I'm glad I'm out of it.

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France, germany and Spain have a lot of pain to go through in the next decade.

Their over generous welfare systems are going to be squeezed until the pips squeak wink.gif .

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As far as I know THEY DON'T HAVE WAITING LISTS!!!!

They are not treating, keeping, clothing and feeding half the worlds economic migrants either.

I think I remember this tactic from Mrs. Thatcher?). 

At least she new the difference, more or less, between truth and lies which is a hell of lot more than Mr Bliar does...AND she stood up for Britains interests unlike the present shameless shower.

it is a fact that councils in the North which supply most of the Labour voters are subsidised more by central government to make their council tax cheaper.

In some parts of the country, you could pin a red rosette on a sheep and it would get elected....see our present cabinet ministers..

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Lets see - what experiences have I had today that I can whinge about.

In the chemist I was awaiting a prescription ( paid for it of course ). This scrote came in and knocked on the counter demanding his methadone. Pharmacist breaks off what she was doing to give the Burberry capped one his morphine substitute and some clean syringes and needles. " Don't forget the swabs" he snapped, " and be quick 'cos I've got a taxi waiting."

I decided to get the bus home. A ten minute journey took half a hour because of congestion. I stood all the way. The seats were taken up by Somali refugees and school children for the most part, none of whom had paid for their ticket. I did get a seat for a few hundred yards but gave it up to an elderly lady. "More fool you," you might say.

I judge a government on how daily life makes me feel. I'm lucky- I've got a car so I needn't have walked and got the bus back. I don't like driving through congested streets and see no point in adding to it.

I can see what its probably like for someone who works and gets paid even less than me.

If anyone believes the tories can sort this out with their rehashed policies then they are deluded. Is the labour gov. any good? Maybe the lesser of two evils I suppose.

This state doesn't make me feel valued and as I've said - I'm better off than some but not most.

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Ian,

I know what you mean. Each day in our lives we have to deal with people that seem not to be worthy of our attention and it's a pain.

Today, I dealt with people that scarcely deserve the title but I continue to be polite.

When dealing with MOP's the credibility of the human race is questioned quite often. msn-cry.gif

I'm lucky, I meet some very intelligent and socially aware people in my trade. Perhaps they are in the minority but it is a pleasure to tend to them, never the less.

The most valuable trait I find in those people is a disregard of arrogance and false superiority.

The poor in our society continue working for employer's that have little regard for their welfare. If the NHS et. al. ; (not just the NHS or the judicial system for those that don't understand the gist of my meaning) was removed from our domain we would revert to type and subjugate the poor.

Bad choice, without a compliant and happy workforce this nation is invalid.

" Are there no workhouses?"

Mr, Dickens.... you removed or rehabilitated most of them, many became hospitals and centres of public assistance.

Thank you. cool.gif

My kind regards to social reformers. wink.gif

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I believe a national health care program (championed by Hillary moreso than Bill) would be a mistake. I work in a national health care program - it's called the US Army. We are overworked, underequipped and understaffed: I'm at work at 1930 (taking a break here on the RLT forum) and will leave tonight with unfinished business (phone calls to make, but everyone has left for the day already). This is an average day for me. The triad of healthcare delivery consists of the competing goals of low cost, easy access and high quality. Unfortunately, it is impossible to maximize all three of those at once - something has to give. Every system, public or private has to deal with that reality by making compromises somewhere.

We (the Army) provide outstanding medical care (better than at many of the private hospitals where I've worked), but my patients wait too long for it! And because it's free and there is unlimited access, the perceived value is low (except among those who have had to get care on the outside). I've heard many comments (one of my mentors did his fellowship training in the UK) from UK and ex-pat surgeons that give me the impression that they have similar frustrations.

Emergency care such as you (Griff) experienced is going to be good under any program, private or public as long as the medical education system is good. This is because, as illustrated by your partner's experience, emergencies rely largely on the individual diagnostic ability of the provider, rather than on ancillary services such as pharmacy, physiotherapy, radiology, etc. Physicians, when faced with an emergency, will treat first and ask (insurance) questions later.

There are problems here for uninsured/underinsured patients, but the US has a county hospital system which sees all comers, regardless of ability to pay or immigration status. Those patients receive good care - I've worked at county hospitals in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Des Moines and will be spending 3 weeks at one in Miami this summer. It's not pretty, the lines are long, but every illegal alien, drug abuser, homeless person, etc. gets the same care. It's underfunded, but it works (mostly by abusing the registrars and house officers). Rather than a NHS, we should improve funding for the county hospital system - IMHO of course.

I'm not going to even comment on your lauditory opinion of Clinton, I'll just disagree strongly. History will have the final say on his Presidency regardless of what we banter about here. Make no mistake: I do like to hear what folks on your side of the pond think - gives me a view from the outside. Similarly, I like to read threads like these as it gives me a view from your inside.

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Stan

I have always tried to play the game the right way and have respect for my fellows.

I don't know if it's my age or not, but I have started to feel that I'm being sh*t upon from a great height.

I know I sound miserable and pathetic but I'm also very very angry and that anger is becoming harder to control.

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One last post before I head home:

2-3 times a year, I watch the Michael Douglas movie "Falling Down". Helps to watch someone else deal with recurring frustrations in the way I can only daydream about smile.gif

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Is that the film where he's estranged from his wife, trying to get to his little girls birthday, gets stuck in traffic and the runs riot with a huge gun?

Like the scene in the fast food resturant when he wants breakfast at 11.32 or something and they stopped serving 2 minutes earlier. Must get a copy to Keep.

I'm glad to see this thread develop, nice contructed thoughts, no name calling, no back biting. The good old days.

For my tupence worth the biggest problem is expectations.

My Grandparents died with hardly a penny, they had both worked hard in the farming industry as labourers all their working lives (my grandad left home at 12 to work on his uncle's employers farm, living in the barn with the Shire horses).

Come their retirement all they wanted was to be able to survive, not interested in luxurys or hand outs. My Nan would not claim a penny in benefit, just her pension which she rightly said was hers by right as she paid her stamp all her life. At 82 she became a poll tax rebel, I was with her the day the council tried to take her to court, she put on her "church" dress and held her head up high, the JP told the council to go whistle!

They felt they had had a good life, brought up 4 kids, lost another 2 (TB and Pneumonia) Grandad missed both wars (farming and his age had a lot to do with it) but they both lost brothers in WW1 and nearly a son in WW2. I remember them coming on holiday with us (a week in a caravan at Hunstanton). You'd have thought they were the richest people alive, never stopped smiling all week long.

Most people today feel an injustice if they can't get what others have, hard done by when they see cheats and crooks getting away with it. This may be right or wrong, I'm not the one to judge. I just look at how much more confortable I am compared to Jack and Ethel and smile to myself. I can see them now in their Sunday best, walking up the prom, arm in arm, 60 years married and still madly in love with one another.

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Similar outlook on life with my grandparents.

My mother and father are both still alive at 85, and my dad was an army captain during the war. He has a very bad hip and back, but I've NEVER heard him complain about himself or others, and certainly never about the NHS!!

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One last post before I head home:

2-3 times a year, I watch the Michael Douglas movie "Falling Down". Helps to watch someone else deal with recurring frustrations in the way I can only daydream about smile.gif

I have an imaginary UZI but its loosing it's effectiveness blink.gif .

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Similar outlook on life with my grandparents.

My mother and father are both still alive at 85, and my dad was an army captain during the war. He has a very bad hip and back, but I've NEVER heard him complain about himself or others, and certainly never about the NHS!!

smile.gif

These are precisely the sort of people who get sh*t upon Griff.

The people who have most to complain about do the least complaining.

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Wow, did this topic veer right away from parking or what? Took my mind off my missing tools anyway, !

In short, I'll go with Neil and Garry, it depends which side of the fence you are on, I am self employed..............

Labour = Career politicians

Haven't a clue about profit and loss, wouldn't recognise a balnce sheet if it was blocking their arse. Hardly in any circumstances done a real job, ie produced something, anything, a profit, something to sell, an idea, anything! No, but boy do they like to administrate and badly too nono.gif

I think Raketat mentioned the problems Spain et al would face in the next 10 years, we will also have problems due to a government that has not the faintest idea how to generate wealth, only how to squander it.

The Conservatives (for all their past faults) promote enterprise which is what we all

live off.

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Cool Fred,

Where you coming from?

Pro social awareness or anti?

I am totally disillusioned with society as it is. I hoped for much more. sad.gif

So it seems the maggots have the upper hand. Still. laugh.giflaugh.gif

At least my body will be of value to something when I no longer need it. smile.gif

Nothing changes. huh.gif

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This is my take on the subject.

It is not a North/South divide.

The people who are self employed i.e Mark. Roy. Garry and myself see things one way.

The people who work for a boss are Labour supporters, and see themselves as the downtrodden masses.

Is this correct?

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