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  1. 1. Changing my car on Friday so after some advice on what to go for.

    • BMW 320D (173) Manual Touring Estate
    • Audi A4 Avant TDi (140) SE or S-Line Estate
    • Volkswagen Passat TDi (140/170) SE Estate


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I am with Mark Davey.

I tried my best, I thought long and hard about which car was best, the Audi, the BMW or the VW but couldn't see it through before I died of apathy, I don't even know how people can muster up the enthusiam to wash them, never mind drive them. :)

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Through choice I wouldn't go for any of the above. Audi - Expensive VW BM - Everybody's got one VW - Boring Does your money stretch to a smaller Merc estate ????? I'm sur

Even the BM diesels aren't as good on fuel as they are cracked up to be, last one I was in, a 530D I think, last year was only showing an average of 29mpg on the computer over the last however many mi

Not sure about the date on these new registrations but it was a 58 plate estate car so reasonably new. The saloon is listed from BMW at 40.9mpg (combined) which in real world terms you'll never get no

A no brainer imho, the BMW. Fantastic car, probably all the car you'll ever need in the real world. Rear wheel drive rules full stop.

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Gary

I would go for the Beamer as above. I have an 05 plate 320d saloon. Excellent car wouldn't swap it for anything.

My only draw back RUN FLAT TYRES. Ive changed all mine to standard tyres as on RFTs the steering was very heavy,also would pull you all over if caught in tracks of lorries on mways.Also been known to wear on inside a lot quicker on inside than out. Only allowed 1 puncture repair, and compare costs.

CGS

You have to be careful with your insurance though Colin as technically the cars have been set up to run on runflats, therefore by removing them you are (in the eyes of some insurance companies) modifying the car from standard spec. I know it's a bit of a grey area but it's worth checking out....

Thanks for that ben will give them a ring tomorrow to check.

CGS

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29 mpg, sounds like something was wrong there, was it an E39 generation 5 series!?

Not sure about the date on these new registrations but it was a 58 plate estate car so reasonably new. The saloon is listed from BMW at 40.9mpg (combined) which in real world terms you'll never get no matter how easy you take it and throw a few passengers and some junk in an estate version and 30ish or lower wouldn't surprise me.

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A no brainer imho, the BMW. Fantastic car, probably all the car you'll ever need in the real world. Rear wheel drive rules full stop.

Cheers,

Gary

I would go for the Beamer as above. I have an 05 plate 320d saloon. Excellent car wouldn't swap it for anything.

My only draw back RUN FLAT TYRES. Ive changed all mine to standard tyres as on RFTs the steering was very heavy,also would pull you all over if caught in tracks of lorries on mways.Also been known to wear on inside a lot quicker on inside than out. Only allowed 1 puncture repair, and compare costs.

CGS

You have to be careful with your insurance though Colin as technically the cars have been set up to run on runflats, therefore by removing them you are (in the eyes of some insurance companies) modifying the car from standard spec. I know it's a bit of a grey area but it's worth checking out....

Thanks for that ben will give them a ring tomorrow to check.

CGS

Didn't mean to worry you Colin, I've just heard some stories that's all.... you know what insurance weasels are like!?!

Bond,

You are quite right, in the 'real world' it is nigh on impossible to achieve manufacturer's economy figures, plus all figures are quoted on standard cars, so small wheels and no weighty toys. That said, you'd still get mid 30's out of that car even with additional weight. Last year I took the same car but a 525d M sport (so same 3.0d engine, all be it tuned for slightly better economy) to France. Four up plus two weeks of luggage, averaged about 37-38mpg!

In terms of performance and economy BMW diesels are very hard to beat...

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Couldn't vote as I didn't see this one on the list :D

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Alfa-Romeo-159-1750-TBi-TI/246957/

Thats because it broke down before it could make it on :tongue2:

Crikey, that's original :rolleyes:

Maybe not.....

.... but not entirely undeserved.... :ph34r:

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:cheers: Thanks guys for all your considered replies.

Believe me I have gone through all of the manufactures and would dearly love to break away from 'the crowd' but my wife will be driving the car most of the time and will not entertain anything that she deems as 'an old mans car' :lol:

My heart would dearly love a fully loaded Saab 9-3 but again, like others I have suggested' this went down like a lead balloon :(

The Alpha is a stunning looking car guys but your judgment (I feel) is clouded by its beauty and your hearts and not really with your head.

Whatever we buy we will need to keep for at least 5 years. I lost more money than I care to think about on the Ford Focus we just sold so the next one, whatever we choose, we will have to hold onto for at least 5 years.

Keep 'em coming chaps.

Stu :)

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Bond,

You are quite right, in the 'real world' it is nigh on impossible to achieve manufacturer's economy figures, plus all figures are quoted on standard cars, so small wheels and no weighty toys. That said, you'd still get mid 30's out of that car even with additional weight. Last year I took the same car but a 525d M sport (so same 3.0d engine, all be it tuned for slightly better economy) to France. Four up plus two weeks of luggage, averaged about 37-38mpg!

In terms of performance and economy BMW diesels are very hard to beat...

Fair comment

Obviously I have no idea how he treated the motor in general. I was only in it now and then to go to the odd meeting.

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The Alpha is a stunning looking car guys but your judgment (I feel) is clouded by its beauty and your hearts and not really with your head.

Whatever we buy we will need to keep for at least 5 years. I lost more money than I care to think about on the Ford Focus we just sold so the next one, whatever we choose, we will have to hold onto for at least 5 years.

So, it's your own money. I can understand the 3 choices then.

The Alfa is a beautiful car and that would give you pleasure? The Germans are blah. I too like the Saab's and the Subaru Outback is a very useful leftfield choice.

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Through choice I wouldn't go for any of the above.

Audi - Expensive VW

BM - Everybody's got one

VW - Boring

Does your money stretch to a smaller Merc estate ?????

I'm surprised people tout BMW as holding there value, some of the guys at work had them before the recent swap to Audi as the car of choice, after 3 years and a few miles on these 5 series they couldn't give them away.

I agree with this. I had a 3 series petrol which I bought on the basis of reliability and good residuals. In truth it wasn't very good, parts very horribly expensive, it was very heavy on fuel and I lost a fortune on it. IMHO I'd go for a good used Merc diesel anyday.

Rob

Even the BM diesels aren't as good on fuel as they are cracked up to be, last one I was in, a 530D I think, last year was only showing an average of 29mpg on the computer over the last however many miles it measures it over. And it was my bosses car who was getting on a bit and by no means a boy racer. The car it's self was nice with a few toys but unremarkable.

One that I was in recently for comfort and ride was a Citreon C5. I was impressed but no idea what they would be like to own or service but as a smooth comfortable a to b cruiser it seemed not bad at all.

I'd concur with that on the C5 and I think it is a very good motor

A rep that comes to see me says it is the best company car he's had

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Through choice I wouldn't go for any of the above.

Audi - Expensive VW

BM - Everybody's got one

VW - Boring

Does your money stretch to a smaller Merc estate ?????

I'm surprised people tout BMW as holding there value, some of the guys at work had them before the recent swap to Audi as the car of choice, after 3 years and a few miles on these 5 series they couldn't give them away.

I agree with this. I had a 3 series petrol which I bought on the basis of reliability and good residuals. In truth it wasn't very good, parts very horribly expensive, it was very heavy on fuel and I lost a fortune on it. IMHO I'd go for a good used Merc diesel anyday.

Rob

Even the BM diesels aren't as good on fuel as they are cracked up to be, last one I was in, a 530D I think, last year was only showing an average of 29mpg on the computer over the last however many miles it measures it over. And it was my bosses car who was getting on a bit and by no means a boy racer. The car it's self was nice with a few toys but unremarkable.

One that I was in recently for comfort and ride was a Citreon C5. I was impressed but no idea what they would be like to own or service but as a smooth comfortable a to b cruiser it seemed not bad at all.

I'd concur with that on the C5 and I think it is a very good motor

A rep that comes to see me says it is the best company car he's had

Peugeot , Renault, Citron all make great looking cars guys (the Laguna estate especially) but just have a look at JD Power Survey and see where French cars are languishing :(

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Is it a second hand one Stu? If its a new one they are doing a great deal at the mo' giving you the equivalent of the vat back. When I looked at one it was just about as cheap to buy new as a couple of year old used! If it is new try doing a google for car brokers who would be able to source one. Otherwise if used have a look at skoda's website for official used or autotrader.co.uk. I had a go in one and it is bloody quick and the eqaul of a golf inside.

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Are you buying new or used? If used how old approx are you looking at.....as this will make a difference.

My mates just bought a 6 month old series 1 320D Msport and is currently getting 51mpg out of it....mind you hes an old fart :wheelchair: , I on the other hand "borrowed" a shiney new 320D 4 dr from competitve analysis earlier this week for a trip to Birmingham via Colchester which meant a lot of back roads then A14, M? stuff.....averaged 43mpg....and I was canning it whenever I could :aggressive: :hypocrite:

Seriously....the BMWs drive better than just about anything else touching tarmac.....its a whopper of a plus point.

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